Ostvolk Bronze Medal mm16 Ok?

[Blackopps]

Hi all, Please can you tell me if this Maker Marked (16) ALOIS RETTENMAIER, Looks like a genuine one to you. Bronze with swords issue. Thanks Blackopps




Thanks for looking.

[Tom Yanacek]

Hello,

Sorry, but IMO that is a fake medal and a fake ribbon.

Best regards,
Tom

[Antonio Scapini]

Hello,

Sorry, but IMO that is a fake medal and a fake ribbon.

Best regards,
Tom

That's my opinion too.

[Blackopps]

Hi Guys, I did look this one up some time ago and I thought it was ok?
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...hlight=ostvolk
The one with 16 marked next to it in the photo is the same medal as mine. Blackopps

[Tom Yanacek]

Hi Guys, I did look this one up some time ago and I thought it was ok?
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...hlight=ostvolk
The one with 16 marked next to it in the photo is the same medal as mine. Blackopps

Hello,

The base metal and finish on the one you show does not look correct. As far as I know, originals of this decoration should be in zinc only and they are very susceptible to loss of finish. In most cases these will appear dull and gray. Yours does not appear to be zinc and that copper coloration is highly suspect IMO.

For comparison, I am showing an original Second Class in Bronze with Swords:

Best regards,
Tom

[Tom Yanacek]

Here is a Second Class in Bronze without Swords:

[Ian Hulley]

Hi Guys, I did look this one up some time ago and I thought it was ok?
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...hlight=ostvolk
The one with 16 marked next to it in the photo is the same medal as mine. Blackopps

There's one I bought to examine .... total fake for sale here in the UK as reproductions. I'll find the link.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=658658&page=5



These were for sale on Ebay.uk by several vendors who were really the same person using a Dollar and Euro coins on their photographs.

Ian

[Tom Yanacek]

Please compare the brooch pins on the original medals with modern brooch pin as seen on the medal you posted. The original brooch pins have a base width that is substantially shorter than the width of the ribbon. On the modern brooch pin the base is just about as wide as the ribbon width. Also note the areas circled in orange: The original brooch pins have a much different hinge end than that of the cruder, more modern brooch pin.

[Tom Yanacek]

And this is an illustration of why I said in my first posting that the ribbon is bad too:

[Ian Hulley]

Originals ..



Note the weft threads as Tom points out And the reverse of a Gold award showing the pin set-up ...



Ian

[Blackopps]

Thanks, For all of this excellent information & help. I have now learned a lot about these (Ostvolk) medals from you all today and what to lookout for in future. Thanks again, Blackopps