Eastern Front Packet - Safe To Sell?

[hagwalther]

Fellow Members,



I'm thinking of selling on this Easter Front medal issue packet but before I do though, I would like you opinions on this it.

It is in a light weight packet measuring 9.5 cms x 6.25 cms, blue in colour with the medal makers name of:

'Frank & Reif Stuttgart - Zuffenhausen'

on the rear.

Note the thin flap on the rear for which there is no cutout on the rear to 'tuck it in'.

Neither paper or ink shine under 'black light'.

Most Eastern Front medal packets are tan in colour so this may have an interest factor to some.

Give me the or and many thanks to all.

Regards ...

[Hank C.]

Just my .02 cents, but I don't like it. The printing on front is just too sloppy. Also, the maker mark on the back is much larger than what we're accustomed to seeing. But there's a bazillion variations out there, this might be a good one.

Wait to see what others have to say.....

[MH184]

It's the maker mark that put's me off of this one, there was one of these on the e stand not to long ago........Allan you got it didn't you ?

I can't say I'm keen on it personaly, fake or genuine...I really don't know ?

Kr

Marcus

[Jim Baker]

For the asking price, I'll risk it.

For some reason, I like it. I guess it feels right.

[CRBeery]

This is the second one of these I have seen this week! I think they are BAD. The one I found at a local show was for the EK2 spange and had the same makers stamp on the back. I do not think F&R made EK2 spanges. The paper was pretty convincing but the type on the front looked odd - close but a little "squat" if that makes sense. The non-standard flap with the off title coupled with the same stamped maker mark told me to pass. The spange that was in it was a poor copy marked L/12. Kr,
CRBeery

[hagwalther]

Hi CRBeery,

Did the spange packet and spange look anything like these?

Sorry, but best pictures I could get my hands on.

Regards ...

[CRBeery]

Chris,
That looks exactly like the one I saw! Where did you find that picture? I know it is not the one I examined as the stamp was in a different location. Is this some new type of fake?

[MH184]

Chris' Ost medal packet: the only real contention I had/do have with it is the makers name style more than anything.

If this had been void, then I confess I'd want to deliberate further with it in hand.....because it would convince me more than not other wise.

The packet looks like one of this type (see pic below), what are the dimensions out of interest or is it on it's way to Jim ?

The Spange packet, well the type set of the desigantion is the 'potatoe' stamp sort (my own diction there)...dosen't look convincing at all does it. Regardless of the fake wares inside packets.......some sod's of dealers/sellers (I don't mean you Chris, in general with intent on the market my friend ) put fakes in genuine packets of course and vice versa.

Kind regards,

Marcus






This is a genuine packet

[MH184]

Reverse

[CRBeery]

Interesting packet Markus. I must say that the packet I handled seemed to be out of old paper like one would expect. Is there a chance that a box of blank ones were found and are now being stamped to help sell fake awards? The dealer that had the packet I saw new something was bad as his asking price for the packet and spange was $50.

[hagwalther]

Hi Marcus, CRBeery,

The Eastern Front group is on its way to Jim so I can't measure it. Maybe he can when he gets it and we can take the issue further.

The photos of the spange and packet came from an old collector here in New Zealand. He has had both these items for some decades and has been thinking of selling them on. I keep in touch with him and it was from him I purchased the Eastern Front packet approx. 3 years ago.

When CRBeery came up with the spange packet question I asked for more photos of the version here in New Zealand and here we are.

As such, we have two packets although for different awards with the same lettering 'Frank and Rief' but some question over them.

My gut feeling is that I have a refund to make to Jim, at least on the packet part.


Regards ...

[Tom Yanacek]

This is the second one of these I have seen this week! I think they are BAD. The one I found at a local show was for the EK2 spange and had the same makers stamp on the back. I do not think F&R made EK2 spanges. The paper was pretty convincing but the type on the front looked odd - close but a little "squat" if that makes sense. The non-standard flap with the off title coupled with the same stamped maker mark told me to pass. The spange that was in it was a poor copy marked L/12. Kr,
CRBeery

Hello to all,
I was also at the show in Toledo, Ohio over the past weekend, and saw this same L/12 Spange and F&R envelope that CRBeery is talking about. Both the Spange and the envelope are bogus in my opinion. The seller said he was "not sure" about the item, but I sensed that he knew it was fake. He was also selling a fake 2nd. pattern S-boat Badge by Schwerin for a bargain price because he was "not sure".
Best regards! Tom