Wrong mounted medalbar!

[Selinsky]

I have received indications that the 4-year medal is mounted wrong and after the war! Is the other medals wrong too?

/Henrik

[TPK]

The order for mounting usually places the long service before the Russian front and flower war or foreign ones. TPK

[TPK]

The order for mounting usually places the long service before the Russian front and flower war or foreign ones. Also not a fan of the way its mounted. TPK

[Skyhawk]

Hi,

How would this medal bar be attached to the uniform??

Backing material? Pin??

Nice photo!


After reverse image posted......Ah.........That's what I get for not paying better attention!

Best,

Jeff

[Selinsky]

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[Tom Yanacek]

Hi Henrik,

Actually, the order of precedence is correct for this bar: 1939 EK2, 1939 KVK2X, East Medal, Wehrmacht 4-Year Long Service.

Check the regulations shown here:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/rela...gulations4.htm

However, even though the order of precedence is correct, I'm not particularly fond of this medal bar. It appears to me that the ribbon for the Wehrmacht 4-Year Long Service Medal is a modern reproduction. The edges of that ribbon appear to have an interlocking whip-stitch selvage and that is not proper for wartime ribbons. Hopefully, Peter will see this thread and offer his opinion.

Best regards,
Tom

[germanmedals]

I dont have a problem with medal order but the backing is IMO a no go so the conclusion, newly constructed

[VonPeter]

Hi Henrik,

Actually, the order of precedence is correct for this bar: 1939 EK2, 1939 KVK2X, East Medal, Wehrmacht 4-Year Long Service.

Check the regulations shown here:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/rela...gulations4.htm

However, even though the order of precedence is correct, I'm not particularly fond of this medal bar. It appears to me that the ribbon for the Wehrmacht 4-Year Long Service Medal is a modern reproduction. The edges of that ribbon appear to have an interlocking whip-stitch selvage and that is not proper for wartime ribbons. Hopefully, Peter will see this thread and offer his opinion.

Best regards,
Tom

Hi Tom and Henrik, I am here but I did not want to say anything before someone else hade pointed out the blue ribbon so Henrik would get a second opinion first. I was the one who contacted Selinsky earlier today when I saw the bar, and it was indeed the blue repro ribbon that made me call the bar a post war mount.

/peter

[Tom Yanacek]

The edges of that ribbon appear to have an interlocking whip-stitch selvage and that is not proper for wartime ribbons.

This looks like a modern weave selvage edge to me:

[Selinsky]

ThanksTom!
It was Peter from Sweden who told me about it!
But the question is! Are the others alright or is the all bogus!
And If the others are alright! Why do such a thing! Try too make higher value? Pherhaps you guys might have a theory

[Selinsky]

Now i se it clearly Peter

[Tom Yanacek]

I've posted this before, but here it is again:

Third Reich ribbons were woven using a simple/basic weave. They used an alternating under/over weave of the length-wise threads (known as warps) and the width-wise threads (known as wefts). The edges of the ribbon loop around to form a non-fraying edge called a selvage. Original ribbons will have very visible looped ends, giving the edges a scalloped look. (See diagram & picture below.)

The majority of modern ribbons use an interlocking whip-stitch that reinforces the selvage by locking up the looped ends and therefore the modern ribbons will lack the open loops and scalloped edges that are so evident on original period ribbons. So, in most cases, it is easy to tell an original ribbon from a modern one.

The diagram below shows the weave used for ribbons of the Imperial, Weimar, and Third Reich Periods. Below that is an original ribbon for the Luftschutz Medal, showing the characteristic open loops and scalloped edges of original ribbons.

[VonPeter]

Now i se it clearly Peter

Good

That is a very good pic Tom and it cant be posted enough.

/peter

[pagannz]

Thank you Tom for the simple Ribbon explanation

[TPK]

Good eye on the LS ribbon Tom. Also I understand the elavation of the Russian front medal in the order of precedence thanks for that info and also great info on the ribbon construction. TPK