Question Ribbon Bar on E-Stand

[Lorenzo Brown]

Questioning the Ribbon Bar on E-Stand:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...0&postcount=13

" If the green ribbon is "Eastern People's", impossible for a "foreignor" to have a bronze NSDAP award. If it's a WW1 saxon, how come no WW1 honor cross?
Apart from that, precedence is totally reversed. Should be:
KVK2wX
Eastern Medal
Long Service, etc."


Opinions, please......

[James Clark]

The ribbons are in completely the wrong order. Unlike miniatures on chains and even full size medal bars, I can't think of a legitimate reason to mount them in this way.

Is there any reason to think that the green ribbon could be a Saxon award, other than the colour of the ribbon?

The combination of NSDAP Service Award with an Ostvolk award must be at least questionable (I don't have the evidence to say it's impossible).

I notice that this is being sold as part of a group. Is the seller claiming that the awards form a group or is it simply a way of selling some common awards as a lot?

[Chris Wainwrigh]

You can teel by the pin in the bottom pic that the top pic is shown backwards. The KVK is first.

[Dez H]

You can teel by the pin in the bottom pic that the top pic is shown backwards. The KVK is first.

That would make the KvK swords upside down.........

[Gerd Becker]

That would make the KvK swords upside down.........

Exactly

I must admit, i don´t know, if NSDAP awards were given to Ostvölker. But like James already pointed out, the order of the ribbons is completely wrong. Its very easy to reproduce one of these sewed ribbonbars without backing and its nearly impossible to say, if this is period or post-war. And I don´t think, the green-white ribbon is a saxon award.

Just from my feeling, i would say, its bad.

best,
Gerd

[Alex K.]

Hi,
i didn´t knew that the ribbon bar is not ok. I got the grouping from a privat source as a grouping so i thought everything is ok.
Thanks for your help
Best Regards,
Alex

[webr55]

1) The correct precedence following the 1945 regulations would indeed be backwards: KVK2, East Front Medal, Ostvolk, NSDAP.
2) The Ostvolk WAS also given to Germans, so could in principle be together with the NSDAP. But Ostvolk is very rare on ribbon bars.
3) No. 2 cannot be a Saxon award. Would have to be a peacetime Albert order, but no other awards since 1914? Not even a Hindenburg?
4) I'm not an expert in backs, but the catch seems to me a little strange.


Regards
Chris

[paddywhack]

iv been looking at this bar far a while and i think its grand! i think thats its just the scan of the pic has put the kvk at the end, iv compare those pics with my bars and it does seem to be be a scanner problem(unless it actuly is at the end in real life!) also the green ribbion i reckon is the peace time albert order! heres my albert order bar as a comparision!

[Alex K.]

Hi,
no scanner problem, the ribbon bar is in real life as the picture shows
Best Regards,
Alex

[stogieman]

I'm sorry....

... but I cannot accept this bar as anything except made-up out of parts. The precedence is totally reversed and the award of the Eastern's people to Germans is so exceptionally unusual I find it exceedingly difficult to accept an NSDAP Bronze medal winner would have that award. if that was the case, and the guy was a "party hack" no freakin' way he would have a total reversal of regulations on the bar.

[Humberto Corado]

hello,

one question : why the ostvolk award is so rare on ribbon bars?

cordial greetings

[paddywhack]

i think as it was considered a russian award(well it was mainly awarded to russians) that it was considered inferier to other awards! but if the position is right then it has to be a made up bar!! oh well!