Spanish Civil War Legion Condor Medal for Review

[Stephen Stout]

Here is Spanish Civil War Legion Condor Medal for Review. Thank you for the help!

[Ian Hulley]

A fine original Egana-made medal, the only issue is that these were legitimately made right up until the 70's. I have one identical in box and wrapping paper. http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=750145

Cheers, Ian.

[Stephen Stout]

A fine original Egana-made medal, the only issue is that these were legitimately made right up until the 70's. I have one identical in box and wrapping paper. http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=750145

Cheers, Ian.

How do you tell if it is one made in the 70s ?

[Scott C.]

How do you tell if it is one made in the 70s ?

Unfortunately, I don't think there is a foolproof way to know for certain.

[Legion Condor]

Hi there,

The model shown is a post-war production and a copy for me. Whether by Egana or not does not matter in my opinion.

The original which was given to 1939 to Legion is better of the quality and has under the ball a triangle which is schmaller down.

Greeting Hans Günter

[Oberst Rudel]

A fine original Egana-made medal, the only issue is that these were legitimately made right up until the 70's. I have one identical in box and wrapping paper. http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=750145

Cheers, Ian.

100 x 100 % daccord with Ian...fine original but is imposible to know the exactly time of making....but made by Egaña for the veterans and original NOT a copy IMHO......Best Oberst.

[Legion Condor]

100 x 100 % daccord with Ian...fine original but is imposible to know the exactly time of making....but made by Egaña for the veterans and original NOT a copy IMHO......Best Oberst.

I ask myself just why this model is not found on the original Medals bars.

And also not in original documents Orner groups can be found with medals.

And almost only on Ebay or Militarira 321 and at dealers as individual pieces.

And in Spain can be found on every flea market at 100!


Greeting Hans Günter

[Gregorio Torres]

The only true is:
-This medal was made from 1038 to the 50´s by Egaña. No late.
-There are a lot of dies and a lot of variations of them, bot nobody could say with a good research in their hands what was the issue for each time of manufacture. All about the triangle and the pineaple under the ring are suspictions. THere is evidences about both, in favour and against.
-Today you can find originals for sale with the cartoon for 30 euros in Spain.
- As nobody could say certainly what is the issue made in 1938 and what is the 50´s one... to pay more than 30-40 euros for this medal because somebody told you that this was awarded to a LC veteran is to buy the story and not the item.
- To call to this medal "Legion Condor Spanish Civil War Medal" just why 20.000 of them wher awarded to germans on a total amount of almost one million is not exact. absolutely.

[Legion Condor]

Hi,

justifying me why I only pieces with triangle clasps and in original documents Orner groups with badges.

And without triangle without grave goods only individually.

I show pictures as proof!

I believe and I think I can prove it without the the triangle from a time after 1939 - 1945 as submitted.

There is no other logical bars do not lie.

Greeting Hans Günter

[Gregorio Torres]

Dear Hans
There is a lot of medalbars with medal without the triangle or pineaple and there is medals coming individually with this sign. And I can show pictures here too (a lot of them do exist in this forum. Just search)
And trust in me: medals from the first order made by Egaña in late 1938 came without the triangle. I don´t know when it was introduced, maybe this year or in 1939, but this do not say anything special, only they are more scarce and for sure were manufactured at least from 1939. Now a day, nobody has can prove something else about this question.
Regards my friend

[Legion Condor]

Hi there,

I would like you to believe. But read my review and see the pictures.
here are some pictures for comparison.

Please note the difference on the edge with the medals. In the medal without the triangle it is very bad and partly characterized over the edge.

Since I'm interested in this topic for some time, I have always on the bars geachten this medal included.
I have not found one that has the model without triangle under the ball.

Why not? It may just be that they do not already lived there.

Was glad times a Stitched bar to see where there is no triangle.

It may be that these are produced by Egana. But not before 1945,
I'm 100% sure.

Also 3 pictures of bars for you! It can be seen only pieces with triangle.

Greeting Hans Günter

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[Legion Condor]

Here's a medal of a doctor of the Spanish arms.
This model is particularly beautiful and much heavier than the Egana models.

What A.M means on the medal? Künstler signature?

Greeting Hans Günter

[Gregorio Torres]

Hans, you´re completly lost here, and we can see it in your last post. What you are asking and calling as a diferent maker and model is only another variant of Egaña. You just look the reverse and you´ll find the MM around the spanish coat of arms. A.M. is a commom mark in a lot of these medals and means Antonio Martinez (designer). I can see your knowledgment about this medal is not enough to give us leasons.
And about the evidence of that what the collectors call the pineaple (you call it "triangle") in a lot of the early medals, I can say only what I said before: it´s a good sign but as a lot of diferent dies do exist and were used before the end of the war (750.000 medals were ordered to Egaña by the spanish government between 1938 and March 1939) a lot of LC veterans were awarded with the variation with the pineaple and a lot of them with other variation (as well as Italian volunteers and spanish soldiers), and for each example of genuine LC medalbars with medals with the pineaple another without the pineaple can be found, as I´m showing in the following pictures.
One reason why a lot of the pineaple-medals can be seen in the LC veterans´medalbars maybe because at least two german makers (Schickle and Steinhauer) made their replacement medals including this sign, but this means nothing about the question we are arguing here. And I know at least one another german maker (Deumer) who don´t did it.
Look to the pics and look for your "triangle"
Regards

[Gregorio Torres]

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[Gregorio Torres]

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