Ostvolk 1st Class wo/Swords

[preclik]

Original ?? no marker ...

[Antonio Scapini]

To me looks good. It has the same hardware used for the Ostvolk badges marked 100. Not common to see the block hinge soldered to the side.

[preclik]

Thanks Antonio, someone else ??

[andrei1774]

IMHO , not a good one. Hard to tell by this pics.
Is any makers marks on the needle or on the reverse? Is there any hinge frame borders? Also , in original, catch plate located deeper than surface (see pic please)
Also, straight, high resolution, shot of the obverse center will help to make final decision.
Andrei

[Antonio Scapini]

Andrei sorry but you can't compare two badges if you are not 100% sure they came both from the same maker. And as far as I know there are no deep researches on this field. A lot of makers used same set ups, only when we are sure we can do these comparisons. Furthermore you don't consider that one maker often use different dies to make badges...
I've pinned your research because IMO is very good, but not deep enough to close this chapter.

[andrei1774]

Andrei sorry but you can't compare two badges if you are not 100% sure they came both from the same maker. And as far as I know there are no deep researches on this field. A lot of makers used same set ups, only when we are sure we can do these comparisons. Furthermore you don't consider that one maker often use different dies to make badges...
I've pinned your research because IMO is very good, but not deep enough to close this chapter.

Well Antonio, I kind agree with you, there are no deep researches on this field, but we already knows a lot about this award. There is only 3 unquestionable and acceptable types of the 1st class 1. Flat reverse 2. Marked "100" 3. Round catch plate.
I observe may be hundred of them and never saw the block hinge soldered to the side. Again, may be this piece is ok marked "100" (resoldering hinge in wrong position), but how we can discussed the badge by this poor quality pictures. That's why I asked for better pics and additional information.
Antonio, if you have any evidence of existing any other types of this awards just post them here, I'll be glad to see them.
Andrei

[Antonio Scapini]

Andrei, I have no evidences, as this is a field I never researched, this is the reason why I'm waiting for you make a book on this subject, and I urge you to do it!

[Peppe864]

Good points and it is interesting to follow the process with sorting out these Ostvolk Awards.

Personally I am not to keen on the one posted here, I cannot say its bad, but I wouldn´t buy it for my collection.

In my opinion and only my opinion, I seem to have noticed a increase of surfacing of different "variants" of the Ostvolk awards the last 4-7 years, which feels a bit strange. Some years ago there weren´t so many different variants, and this makes me wonder.

But since these things happens, we have to wait and see how it plays out, I hope someone will find the answer for sure.

[Antonio Scapini]

I agree with you Peppe that in these last years surfaced a lot of pieces, but we should consider even that we have made more discoveries in the last 4-5 years than in the previous 40 years of collecting. This is the power of the modern technologies as internet.
It happened for badges, medals and so on... What we thought fake until some years ago it was simply an unknown original. This is the reason why today we need more deep researches. Too many fields are without (or with few) references.

[andrei1774]

I agree with you Peppe that in these last years surfaced a lot of pieces, but we should consider even that we have made more discoveries in the last 4-5 years than in the previous 40 years of collecting. This is the power of the modern technologies as internet.
It happened for badges, medals and so on... What we thought fake until some years ago it was simply an unknown original. This is the reason why today we need more deep researches. Too many fields are without (or with few) references.

Antonio,
I agree about the power of the modern technologies as internet, but please, don't forget, that fakers are using the modern technology too. (I am sure, they are using our WA forum , as a big reference ). IMO, that's why, every new piece on any militaria fields, has to be judge with caution, only strong evidence and proves as dug outs, veteran finds, archives finds, etc. can bring new pieces into the world of original. You know the rule, every questionable piece needs to be proving as original, not way around. Not somebody feelings or "looks like" , but only strong evidence.
Andrei

[andrei1774]

Andrei, I have no evidences, as this is a field I never researched, this is the reason why I'm waiting for you make a book on this subject, and I urge you to do it!

Thanks Antonio, but I am not a writer. I know some more knowledgeable guys in this field, specially in Russia, so, when they will publish the book, I'll help them to translate into English version.