Dubbel marked october medal

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I need some more info on this dubbel marked october medal. First time i see it marked with 2 and L2 only know them with the L/11 mark on the bottom rim.

Bought it because i wanted to see it in hand could it be period done.

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[Antonio Scapini]

Really hard to say something about... I can only say the front of the medal is really close to the Memel Slanted G type 3, made from unknown maker.
Never seen a L2 medal marked in this way, but I think there's something wrong on these marks. Let me think about, now it's too late here in Italy, it's time to sleep...

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Im thinking of listing it on the e-stand. But was looking for some input before selling it.

[juoneen]

I have a sudeten medal marked on the bottom edge, but is not ring marked, and not stamped on the body of the medal close to the ring. I think it is 13 marked. I'll have to go find the pics. It could be ok, but with the marking not always meaning anything due to fakers adding them willy nilly I do not suspect this was the case, I think it has a chance . What reallly bothers me is the guy who had it prior tested it for gold, and really dinged the value, but with the markings so unusual ,I think if it's fake you'd have seen more of them marked the same. I think it is unusual , anyone have one marked the same??

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I have a sudeten medal marked on the bottom edge,
I think if it's fake you'd have seen more of them marked the same. I think it is unusual , anyone have one marked the same??

Indeed normal they are marked on the bottom edge seen that before. Looking at the marks i would also say period done the one on the ring looks to have some wear over time.

And if it was fake we should have seen more over the past years i think.

[juoneen]

I would just price and guarantee it, and if the buyer doesn't like it , he can send it back on his nickle, and resell it to someone else who wants the variation . It seems to me there must be some book out there showing all variations, if not, this one need to be in the book as a wild card possible. Usually you don't see the edge of the stamp hitting the body of the medal with a "stamped in" mark, only usually the letter,numbers , and forward slash are not surrounded with any marks, but it stands to reason, this could have been one made prior to the bottom edge markings, as it seems it would be easier to mark on the bottom , than on the top near the ring thats soldered to the medal. (may be why it has the other marks outside it) There are some mysteries in the hobby that may never be realized.

[James Clark]

I don't know what the L2 mark is - it's not a LDO mark

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I don't know what the L2 mark is - it's not a LDO mark

No it's not an LDO mark. Maybe it's not even a L2 but only 2. The the supposed letter L is just the corner of the square of the stamp that was helt a little slantwise to the left. So it looks like a L

But that is just a gues. Medal is on estand now if anybody got interest feel free to make a offer.

[juoneen]

Dietrich may be the one to ask on the L2 mark subject,as opposed to the L/2 mark. There has been discussions on the waf in the past, but I can't recall if it was that particular number. I must admit, I have never seen another like it so far. Best wishes on your sale,and on your discovery research , and let us know if you ever figure the L2 out. It's things like this , that make the forum so interesting.

Did the guy you got it from have any information on where he found it ? Sometimes people forget to ask questions about items ,when they are buying, as many times there is more information they know ,if one just can think to ask at the time. I am not sure if this explanation is correct or not or if this will even help, but I'm posting the link anyway.http://quanonline.com/military/ldo_numbers.html L2 is junker (L/12) as far as the chart on the link, but does NOT touch on the non use of the forward slash between the L and the number.

[James Clark]

I am not sure if this explanation is correct or not or if this will even help, but I'm posting the link anyway.http://quanonline.com/military/ldo_numbers.html L2 is junker (L/12) as far as the chart on the link, but does NOT touch on the non use of the forward slash between the L and the number.

The information on the linked page is almost entirely incorrect - L/12 was not shared with other companies, it was assigned to Junker. Godet was assigned L/50 and Frank u. Reif weren't LDO licenced. Companies were not assigned more than one LDO number and the PKZ and LDO systems served entirely difference purposes.

Junker's PKZ number was 2 and its LDO number was L/12, not L/2, which didn't exist, and certainly not L2, which seems to confuse the LDO and PKZ numbering systems.

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we may never know...

I am now wondering what the author of the link meant, by shared numbers, could he be referring to sub contractors authorized for using the mark for junker orders for things they may not have made , or needed they were short of in their inventory stores(stores: stock in reserves ). We know cottage industries became the norm at the mid to late war period for many manufacturing companys. Thanks for the assistance, but looks we may never solve this mystery of no fwd slash MM's.
In the location this L2 mark is in, it sure doesn't hardly leave much room to add a slash. This may be a case where the double marking was done for a while , then discontinued due to slower speed in filling orders , and with losing the double marking later , may have shortened production time. This is just a possible senario, as we all have no choice but to theorize when information is missing from the larger picture.

So : james clark, do you have an opinion or theory , to lend , as to the possibility of this medals ,as marked being original , fake , or original medal someone marked post war, because to me the medal does appear to be an original....its just the marks that is the issue.

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So : james clark, do you have an opinion or theory , to lend , as to the possibility of this medals ,as marked being original , fake , or original medal someone marked post war, because to me the medal does appear to be an original....its just the marks that is the issue.

Let's hope we find it out real headbreaker. The seller didnt had any info on it only bought it himself years ago.