Hindenburg cross with box of issue

[schönbeck]

Check this out, could it be real?

[Don D.]

It could be.
Don

[schönbeck]

i mean the case ofcourse

[Tom Yanacek]

Very nice to have the Hindenburg Cross with the original box. Use to own one just like yours many years ago. Very nice item indeed.
Best regards! Tom

[George Stimson]

Does anybody know how late they manufactured cases to go with these? I mean, it was never a banned award post-1945, was it? Couldn't the cases have been made well after World War Two?

[schönbeck]

that was my thought as well, thats why i posted it.

sorry but this is the only pic I have. up for auction and the price is now 40 €

[MH184]

What is it that makes you think they could be post war George is it the :

- The frequent availability in such good condition (mostly mint)

- The painted tip catch

- The inner base material which is glued down, a sort of synthetic material

I've been over these little bugger's with a tooth comb, I can relate to this post war thought.

I call them later war, as I have a couple of earlier without a doubt 'period examples' which I would qualify as 1930's produced, one of which is along the lines of the above picture in question. you too George have a another variant similar to me of the 'Walnut' style (it's the best description I could think off )

I don't think they are fake, they have to many traits in common and then a variable of difference's to note. The hinge, outer covering and colour's; that is to say the red ones deviate in colour.

The precise make-up is too good for a fake of mass production, so with other thoughts not worth mentioning I do not think they are fake overall, I'm leading on to something here as well..........

Are they post war.....if so within the first few years ( and who could tell to be honest) and you can discount 1957 as these materials don't 'glow' (not to say all '57 parts do or any infact), the correct filling is applicated to the lid portion, correct band around the box, the hinge is indeed correct, the catch unlike the fakes of this type, look at the back of it for a start.

So what are they ? Well in my opinion, and I can't back it up other than this :

These medals were issued in packets, packets alone, no boxes at all. The boxes are a private purchase item only......so you'd have to go and purchase the damn things if you so desired, pre made private purchase that is, they were not issued.

I was going to save this for the book the KB maker has these for sale up until the end of the war (for retailers), each outlet would carry so many I guess. I think more were made than bought in all honesty. They are genuine they have a base number 691 KB.....101% not fake at all. Post war, I really don't envisage this at all.....1957 no, not at all......they didn't make boxes hardly for anything else let alone these things.

Materials used, no problem there take a look at the base (outside underside) of a lateish war KVK or EK box, and indeed the inner strip which covers up the catch mech, what do you see.......the base material of these Honour boxes and the inlay underside (sometimes that is, it could be paper under the inlay)

Why is the catch tip painted......I haven't a clue ?

Glue, another misconception is that every thing was animal glue, to use a British phrase, this is 'bollock's'.....there were various types of glue...don't been fooled entirely by this. I have more info on the way about glue of the period and will present this duely.

There you have it with a few details omitted ( because they are not worth mentioning) I think they genuine with no cause for concern at all in my novice opinion....but thats just me don't be swayed on my say so......question everything until you're happy.

As I said at the begining I called them late war.......I used this in regards to the others which as it reads is incorrect, I truely think they are wartime without deviation really, the latter being with the synthetic type material, and the before types paper and before that a box similar but with a few difference's...you know what I mean !!

I'll show a pic of the progressive boxes in order when I get a chance and it's daylight, it will be more clear then.

I hope this long winded durge makes some sense.

Kind regards,

Marcus


PS Buy the thing at 40 Euros !!!!!

[George Stimson]

What about this one, then?

[George Stimson]

Open.

[George Stimson]

Disembowelled and blacklighted. The base pops right out -- it was never glued in. Both the bottom of the base and the bottom of the case glow like mofos.

[George Stimson]

Oh yeah -- there are no markings at all anywhere inside the case.

[MH184]

Straight away it's a flat top, it's NOT KB the lid linning is not like that of known examples, the recess the medal sits in....to far up the inner portion. This case is entirely different from the 40 euro genuine example. The lid liner is like a cushion sticking out and should not have this trait, it's a more sunken crappy fill on genuine examples.

The catch, from this angle I don't know......can you give me a 'face on' view to be sure, it looks like it has the 'apex' for the fake. The only genuine 'apex' catch is that with a skinny stem to the catch you'll encounter this on 'earlier boxes of all types. Look on the corners how the paper covering has been applied....a little rough.


Yours I do not like but can not confirm from these pic's alone, the picture above these posts is of a genuine example for sale, it is not like yours at all.

I have to say George I doubt your example at this moment in time.

Kr

Marcus

[MH184]

Hang on George, I'll be back in a moment........no the 'inner base' is removable and would never be glued. The under side of the inner base pull out had glued on it paper or later the synthetic type stuff.

The very bottom of the case would and should have a paper coverage or on late examples the syn stuff. This will cover the catch spring/working's.

I'll get a 'lamp' pic of the number and a couple of other details.

Kr

Marcus

[George Stimson]

I won't bother trying to get a pic of the catch. This one's been on the "maybe" list for a long time. I'll just take the (good) cross out of it and consign the case to the Tackle Box of Shame.

[MH184]

I've a fake Kuban for you George....hope that cheers you up.

Hang on back in a mo