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    Lost in Blurriness – Trying to reconstruct my grandfather’s ribbon bar

    These are photos of my grandfather. Born 1907, he joined police school in 1926 and was a policeman (Hauptwachtmeister) in Berlin before the war. When the war started, he was transferred to the Feldgendarmerie as Stabsfeldwebel. He served mainly in Poland and France.
    He was never promoted to officer during the war. In a postwar CV, he writes that this was because he refused to join the Nazi party. He was approached several times by higher officials to join, but never did. I don't know if (military) police officers were required to be party members - I don't think so, so there might be some other reason why he didn't get promoted. Perhaps someone knows more about military police career issues?
    So what became of him? Well, there is a sad and somehow tragic story behind this. To cut it short, he had a motorcycle accident during the advance in France and suffered a severe head injury. But he refused to have it cured, as he wanted to "stay with Guderian" (quote). He died several years after the war from late consequences.

    Nevertheless, what I'm really interested in is to find out what his ribbon bar was like. The problem is, I have only very BLURRY photos of him wearing his bar. There are other, clearer photos, but always without bar.
    So here they are:

    The first picture, the earliest one, should be mid- or early 30s. There are two awards on his bar.



    The second pic is from a group photo of some kind of police seminar, late 30s, I think. Here, he wears three awards.

    Closeup:


    The third one is probably an early war photo. As far as I can see, still three awards.


    Closeup:


    The final pics must be late war. I think, there are four awards, the first one probably the EK2.



    Closeup:

    So what are the awards in this final pic? I know that he had the EK2, because he wears the ribbon from his buttonhole in other pics. I think it shows up on his bar only in the final two pics. He must also have had a police DA, normally 8 years. I guess these were updated to Wehrmacht DA's if the wearer was transferred to Feldgendarmerie?
    What the other awards are, I have guesses, but would rather not preclude any opinions.

    Thanks
    Chris

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    Last edited by Rick Research; 10-24-2004, 02:04 PM.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Rick Research
      Couldn't even GUESS, they are that bad. Try cropping to closeups BEFORE scanning and THEN making enlargements at very high dpis: looks to me from the distorted images as if you are enlarging from small size with the same dpi, and that is making useless pixel distortions.

      I couldn't "see" the Crown above the Bavarian MMC ribbon in 3rd place on this example from my photos, until I bumped up the dpis from 96 to 300. It looks to me as if your scans are at low dpis and you are then enlarging THOSE after cropping, which just makes scan bigger but MORE blurry than the originals.
      Ahhhh! Now THAT was a good idea!!!

      Unfortunately, I haven't got the last pic in my hands right now. But here are MUCH better closeups of the first three:
      #1:


      #2:



      Ahhhh! MUCH BETTER!

      Regards
      Chris
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      Last edited by webr55; 04-21-2005, 02:23 AM. Reason: pics gone

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        Last edited by Rick Research; 10-24-2004, 02:03 PM.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Rick Research
          Now DEMS blurs an' smoodgies!!! THOSE I can work with!

          1) Police 8 Years

          2) betcha that's the 1936 Olympics Medal (looks more like the FEUERWEHR Cross, but...)

          3) Sudeten Annexation Medal 1938

          Thanks a lot Rick! That makes sense to me. The police DA has undergone the usual spectrum shift, probably. The Olympics medal would make sense, as he was in the Berlin police at the time, although I also thought at first it looked like the Feuerwehr-Ehrenzeichen. What does your "but..." mean, I guess it's too improbable that a police-NCO had this award?
          Naughty officer's tunic, ah! You mean in the two final pics? (Maybe he wore it to impress that nice lady. )

          Regards
          Chris
          Last edited by webr55; 04-21-2005, 02:24 AM.

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            #6
            Finally, here is a closeup of the last ribbon bar with 4 awards:


            Here, I think we have EK2 1939, Police DA 8 years, Sudeten, Olympics Medal. The Olympics is now in correct precedence, AFTER the Sudeten.

            Thanks again Rick!
            Chris
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            Last edited by webr55; 12-21-2004, 11:46 AM. Reason: pics gone

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              Last edited by Rick Research; 10-24-2004, 02:03 PM.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Rick Research
                It is EXTREMELY difficult to tell from such fuzzies, but I am now waffling between AUSTRIAN Anschluss and a Volkspflege Medal rather than the Sudeten: the white edges now look too wide for the October 1938.


                Thanks Rick, but I still think it's the Sudeten, though. The thick white stripes might be due to the photo. I have found yet another, though bad pic:



                From what I know about him, the Sudeten is much more likely than the Austrian Anschluss. And the Volkspflege before the Olympic would be in wrong position in this - probably newly constructed - four ribbon bar. Of course, the Sudeten was in wrong place in his three ribbon bar, but there, I think, he added it himself.

                Regards
                Chris
                Last edited by webr55; 04-21-2005, 02:26 AM.

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                  #9
                  Grandpa’s ribbon bar revisited

                  Look what arrived in the mail today: <o></o>
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                    #10
                    This is a bar I recently bought. I took a scan, converted it to greyscale, and (discounting the missing spectrum shift)…<o =""></o>
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                    Last edited by webr55; 04-24-2005, 02:00 PM.

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                      #11
                      … it looks QUITE similar to the bar in post # 6, without the Olympic medal, of course. So Rick, I am finally convinced: The ribbon in place #3 on my grandfather’s bar is NOT the Sudeten, but rather the Red Cross/Volkspflege. <O =""></O>

                      What originally bothered me about this, was the wrong precedence in the four-place bar. According to the regulations, Red Cross/Volkspflege should come AFTER the Olympic Medal. And in the three-place bar in post # 3, he indeed wears it after the Olympic. <O =""></O>

                      While this could have been a common period error, I have another theory:
                      Whatever it is, he got this award between 1936 and 1939. Maybe this was originally a Red Cross medal (which grade would a police sergeant have got?), but after 1939/40 he got a second award of the new Volkspflege/Social Welfare (is that possible?). I have seen period bars in which Volkspflege was placed in advance of other awards like Olympics because people thought it was now a national award, not one of a non-national organization like the Red Cross. Maybe it was not even a second award, but he just changed the place of his original decoration because of its (seemingly) altered status from non-national to national.<O =""></O>

                      a) Could my theory make sense? <O =""></O>
                      b) For what deeds could a policeman have got the Red Cross decoration in peacetime? And could a Feldgendarmerie/military police guy have got the Volkspflege?<O =""></O>

                      Regards<O =""></O>

                      Chris<O =""></O>
                      Last edited by webr55; 07-15-2005, 02:55 AM.

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                        #12
                        Here’s what grandpa’s bar would look like, if I’m correct: <o =""></o>
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                          #13
                          Now I'm looking for such a bar! Stogie-Rick, if you should find one like this in your vast vaults, pleeeease...
                          Otherwise, can anyone advise me where I can get a good custom made bar?


                          Regards
                          Chris

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