West wall Packet

[Detlev Niemann]

Hi Mads.
I have bought many years ago several kilogramms of these medals in their enveloups. All identical condition. And guess what ?
Some ahve maker "..hausen", others have "...hansen".
You are welcome to visit my shop and dig in this box and wonder why some are rightly spelled and others are not. In my opinion they have simply made a writing mistake. Remember,those days the letters were single hand put in these "letterholders" to form words. And an "n" is easily mixed up with an "u" if you have to put the letters in "mirror-image"
regards
detlev

[Alex K.]

Could it be that only the medals are ok and the packets are modern ? Were all ribbons ok in this lot ?

[mads]

Hi Detlev,
I appreciate the time you took to answer this post but just one last question:
Was the person you bought these Kilograms from a source which cannot be questioned.
I have in my possesion a WB packet I actually bought from you that has an entirely different feel, look and maker mark that is much more comprehensive than the westwall packets...would they not use same makers mark on all packets??
here is the WB packet in question:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=55078

Mads

[MH184]

Well Deltev's expressed what I have only said in the past.

I'll purcahse one from Detlev and get that verified also, I have several examples now of this packet from KVK, WB and West Wall packets.

I'll get them tested via the means I've discussed in the past to settle this matter once and for all.

I'm quietly confident they are genuine........we'll see though !

Kind regards,

Marcus


Mads,

NO my dear man, they didn't use the same maker marks 101% of the time, some firms just went over to the L / ** others the same address or maker mark, in a different style or indeed much shorter etc etc There are many variation's of the same maker mark, and different to a degree on certain packets, where they put the mark..........and so on.

That's what I do, collect the variations, types etc etc as you well know. Even the type set differ's from Roman/latin to Gothic etc.

Mistakes are abundant as there are packets, from grammar to the address to simple spelling mistakes.

Once I've compiled my study on these for the book, I'll show you with a more detailed explanation of what I mean.

Kind regards,

Marcus

[kokstok]

For wat it's worth i have two schrobenhausen packages one for the westwall medal and one for the wmc without swords. These have the correct spelling. The schrobenhansen packages i would pass on them, there are enough genuine packages around so why should you buy one with are questionable.

greatings René.

first pic westwall medal

[kokstok]

second one wmc without swords.

[notned]

From my understanding, the makers stamp was of the type which the employee had to assemble the letters to make the words, it could simply be a mistake where the employee, merely inserted the letter the wrong way up..as the letter n looks like a u upside down or the wrong way up. and with Large bombs falling all around them, i can imagine their attention to this particular detail was not foremost on their minds, as one would expect with Death lurking around the corner....And with Detlev's comments that they are indeed genuine, i am now satisfied that there has been a geniune mistake here.
Phew! now i can sleep better knowing that my packet is OK!

Cheers Gentlemen

regards
from New Zealand.

[Pieter Verbruggen]

...SchrobenhaUsen....SchrobenhaNsen.....

I wouldn't worry to much about this....they ARE original, wartime error...but the day you find one marked "Goldstein-Tel Aviv 1975", I personaly would pass...

About the kilo's from Detlev Niemann...well yeah, some dealers are heavier than others....should see his container of EK's....

Pieter.

[Theodor]

I don't get it... this seems to be the most common and cheap TR medal, why would someone take the trouble to fake such medals, when they are worth so low? Seems they are original, after all the highly secure and precise stamp-printing process usually allows the issuing wrong-made stamps //wrong words, wrong colors, turned images/ - so how about the highly un-secure and un-precise process of stamping paper bags

[MH184]

Well with Peiter's and Detlev's comments (And Pieter has probably the best boxed collection in the world I'm informed by a good friend of mine) I think we can all assume they're ok.

It's good to see the heavies (the experts) come in on this one. There is a difference in type set detail, and a difference in the paper sheen, as has been pointed out in the past on the West Wall packets, but then on the others of this spelling mistake they take the form sometimes of the 'known originals' (accepted).

I will still pursue my 'tests' so there can be no doubt at all, if they fake they are best ones out there as I've stated before, and there is no hope for us in this area.

If it's possible to determine by premise of fact they are genuine, via accepted tests worldwide I hope this will conclude the matter for us all.

I've done it on the EK 2 packet with left hand side fold and spaced 1 9 3 9, which turned out post war (paper and ink) so we'll just have to wait on the results of these.

Kind regards,

Marcus

I think I need to take a trip to Hamburg and go through Detlev's packets and boxes ..........without the wife of course and a little spending money !!!!

[kokstok]

I think I need to take a trip to Hamburg and go through Detlev's packets and boxes ..........without the wife of course and a little spending money !!!![/QUOTE]
That would be nice!

[Pieter Verbruggen]

This web site has siome info on these pachets:http://www.thirdreichmedals.com
Pieter.