Luftwaffe 7 Medal Bar

[JasonA]

Hey Guys,

Here's a 7-medal bar for your review. Your unabashed feedback is appreciated.

Best regards,

Jason

[JasonA]

Left side close up shots...

[JasonA]

Right side shots...

[JasonA]

Final shots...

[luftkrieg]

The KVKx should be in second place but sometimes tailers made mistakes.

The "disk" (circled) on the Bavarian MVO should be on the reverse of the medal not the front.

Kind regards
Pierce

[JasonA]

Thanks for the initial feedback, Pierce.

Just to clarify, are you saying the back of the Bavarian award is currently showing and should be flipped? Or are you suggesting the center disk should be moved to the back?

If you take a second look at the reverse of the Bavarian Military Order in shot #1, you'll notice the center disk is missing - the only drawback on this bar if everything is as it should be. Perhaps that's why it was moved to the front...because the back was missing a piece? I'm not familiar with this award.

I'm still unclear about order of medals when both world war awards are present, so I'm glad you brought that up. Any general rules/clarifications that anybody could share would be helpful here.

Best,

J-

[JasonA]

Pierce - have just found an intact example of the Bavarian merit award and now see what you mean. It looks like the obverse disk was missing or damaged and it has been replaced with the reverse disk.

J-

[Tiger88]

If you take a second look at the reverse of the Bavarian Military Order in shot #1, you'll notice the center disk is missing - the only drawback on this bar if everything is as it should be. Perhaps that's why it was moved to the front...because the back was missing a piece? I'm not familiar with this award.

I can see another drawback, there are only 6 medals

[JasonA]

I can see another drawback, there are only 6 medals

Good one.

J-

[JasonA]

I'm assuming by the dearth of response that this medal bar is not clearly authentic or fake?

[luftkrieg]

Pierce - have just found an intact example of the Bavarian merit award and now see what you mean. It looks like the obverse disk was missing or damaged and it has been replaced with the reverse disk.

J-

Hi Jason,

Yes this is what I think happened!

Nothing immediately jumps out at me to suggest it is fake but for me personally I like the medals to be in the correct order i.e. War Merit Cross in 2nd place.

I would maybe post it in the Imperial section to get opinions. The gentlemen there may be able to comment further and also tell you more about the Bavarian MVO.

Kind regards
Pierce

[Gary B]

Hi Jason,

The WMC should be 2nd in the order of precedence on this bar. As Pierce stated, incorrect order of precedence on a bar is not a killer of authenticity.

One thing which I have commented on in other posts is the plethora of medals bars coming on the market today which have a straight bottom mount. Although this is an accepted pattern one did not see alot of these in the past (normally see the draped ribbon version). Lately these have been "flooding" the market - mainly with odd foreign awards on the bar.

So in conclusion, based on the straight mount, the incorrect order of prcedence and the fixed Bvn Medal, I would pass. I am not saying it is not good but too many issues for me.

Perhaps Tom Y will comment on this.

Gary B

[JasonA]

Pierce & Gary,

Thank you both so much for your thoughtful replies and expertise. I sincerely appreciate it.

I'll be curious to hear what Tom Y. has to say if perchance he gets an opportunity to review. Honest to goodness Luftwaffe bars are hard to come by. Since that's my collecting focus, lack of adherence to medal precedence hierarchy wouldn't really bother me much given authenticity.

Pierce - I'll throw this up on the Imperial thread to get some supplementary feedback as well. I think that's a good suggestion.

Thank you!

Best regards,

Jason

[all1knew]

Hello there,

I think this bar is 100% legit wartime produced.

William Kramer

[CRBeery]

There is another thing that bothers me on the BMVO. The white enamel in the belt goes down into the buckle portion. This is not a good sign. Many BMVK2's look like this as they are reworked third class crosses. The black enamel around the lion is not as smooth as is typically found either. The cross body looks OK to me. See if there are any marks on it at the top above the swords on the reverse.

As this medal is the money piece on this bar and it is not what I would expect, I would pass on this unless it was around $200 or so. You could replace the BMVO.

The flat bottom of the ribbons on the bar would be more acceptable for a Bavarian assembly. The order is a bit odd and I could fully imagine a Bavarian placing his state award ahead of the TR war merit cross but having the Hindy in there is really odd.