Spanish Blue Division Medal With Story

[The Dragon]

Hello,

My father was away in London recently and while there he passed by a militaria shop and knowing that I collected third reich medals decided to buy something for me as a present. My father not knowing anything about the hobby and not even knowing the spanish had the "Spanish Blue Division" fighting on the eastern front got fed the frozen meat locker story by the dealer.

To cut a long story short my father returned with a "Spanish Blue Division Medal Cased" This is what I got.

As you can see in the photo-graphs regarding the case there is a piece of paper with spanish writing on it, this was stuck onto the front of the box, this can be seen from the box retaining its green colour where as the rest of the box has lost the colour. I think it reads something about the battle fought in the east.

The Spanish Blue Division Medal is actually an eastern front medal with a clasp on it although this was given out to Spanish Soldiers.

Is the clasp an original spanish clasp?

Was the piece of paper printed by a spanish soldier who had the box and stuck it on it then just put the eastern front medal in it.

[JCM - 1963]

Hi, sorry I have not seen this post until today.

The pin you see is original Spanish, in particular is a typical pin Egaña manufacturer that is the same as shown in the box but the box belongs to a campaign medal of the Spanish Civil War, is the same medal you can see in my avatar.

The manufacturer Egaña medal ever made the "frozen", I'm sure the Blue Division soldier keep the medal in that box but it is not correct.

Greetings from Madrid.

[Gregorio Torres]

Hi Karol
As JCM said, the case has nothing to see about the blue Division medal. Egaña made the Blue Div medals never. Tomorrow you´ll have one of the Blue Div medal cartoon on the way and you´ll can see the diferences between both.
This medal is a common german East front medal. There is a copy of this medal made in Spain in the 50´s as replacement piece for Blue Div veterans, but this isn´t.
The hanger can be or not putting there by the original holder. These hangers were not given to the spaniards with the medal, as they were given in the same way than to the other soldiers in Waffen SS and Werhmacht. The soldiers have to get it in Spain if they wish to wear their german medals in the spanish way.

[pattex]

Hi Karol
As JCM said, the case has nothing to see about the blue Division medal. Egaña made the Blue Div medals never. Tomorrow you´ll have one of the Blue Div medal cartoon on the way and you´ll can see the diferences between both.
This medal is a common german East front medal. There is a copy of this medal made in Spain in the 50´s as replacement piece for Blue Div veterans, but this isn´t.
The hanger can be or not putting there by the original holder. These hangers were not given to the spaniards with the medal, as they were given in the same way than to the other soldiers in Waffen SS and Werhmacht. The soldiers have to get it in Spain if they wish to wear their german medals in the spanish way.

Hi Gregorio Torres,
I think this is wrong. From my point of view Egana made exactly this version. You can identify it easily because it is a little bit smaller than the original german version. The version that was produced in the 50's in spain is a little bit bigger then the original german version .

best regards
pattex

[Gregorio Torres]

Hi Gregorio Torres,
I think this is wrong. From my point of view Egana made exactly this version. You can identify it easily because it is a little bit smaller than the original german version. The version that was produced in the 50's in spain is a little bit bigger then the original german version .

best regards
pattex

Dear friend,
Once again: Egaña didn´t make any version of this medal. The spanish version for this medal made in the 50´s is hollow and it´s very different than this one. These hollow medals were made in a small workshop in Madrid, and Egaña have nothing to do with them. Search and you´ll find some pictures of this version posted by me in other threads.
Other versions were made in Spain decades later, but IMO they were made for collectors from the 80´s to today.
Your carton is the one made for the Spanish Civil War Campaign medal.

[Mike TM]

This is the spanish version of this medal (right one) and never was made by Egaña.

regards
Mike

[pattex]

Dear friend,
Once again: Egaña didn´t make any version of this medal. The spanish version for this medal made in the 50´s is hollow and it´s very different than this one. These hollow medals were made in a small workshop in Madrid, and Egaña have nothing to do with them. Search and you´ll find some pictures of this version posted by me in other threads.
Other versions were made in Spain decades later, but IMO they were made for collectors from the 80´s to today.
Your carton is the one made for the Spanish Civil War Campaign medal.

Dear Georgio Torres,
this is not my carton and not my medal, but In my opinion Egana made the "winterschlacht im osten" medal.

The Egana version is not as high as the original german version and the version from gepruft is the other spanish version that ist higher then the original ones .

@gepruft: please measure the height of your example. It will be higher then the german medal on the left side, I think.

[Gregorio Torres]

Dear Georgio Torres,
this is not my carton and not my medal, but In my opinion Egana made the "winterschlacht im osten" medal.

Dear friend, it´s not a question of opinion there. Egaña didn´t made this medal never. I´ve researched the german medals "made in Spain" for years, contacting with the markers and with hundreds of pieces in my hands. Even I published a book about Militaria of the Blue Division 2 years ago, and you can be sure: Egaña didn´t make this medal.
Anycase, if you have any definitive proof about this question to be shown here, please do it.
A pleasure sharing with you.
Regards

[Mike TM]

Hello, the spanish version is smaller than german, as you can see on photo.
The medal on the beginning of this thread is definitively a german made one. This has not the style (soft details, etc) of spanish medals for blue division ex-combatants.

regards
Mike

Dear Georgio Torres,
this is not my carton and not my medal, but In my opinion Egana made the "winterschlacht im osten" medal.

The Egana version is not as high as the original german version and the version from gepruft is the other spanish version that ist higher then the original ones .

@gepruft: please measure the height of your example. It will be higher then the german medal on the left side, I think.

[Gregorio Torres]

Hello, the spanish version is smaller than german, as you can see on photo.
Mike

Hi Mike. The oldest issue of this medal (the hollow one) made in Spain since the late 50´s or early 60´s is clearly bigger than the german one. The issue posted by yourself was manufactured later IMO. I´m talking from period pictures and original medal bars. Dies still exist and I had them in my hands two years ago. I´m still dealing to buy them.
Anycase, I had forgot your version when I said in another post in this thread that appart from the hollow one, the other versions were made just to collectors. This version shown by you is IMO made in the late 60´s or early 70´s, mainly for Blue Div vets. My fault.

[Mike TM]

Yes mine is the later version, not the hollow one (the earlier).

regards
Mike

Hi Mike. The oldest issue of this medal (the hollow one) made in Spain since the late 50´s or early 60´s is clearly bigger than the german one. The issue posted by yourself was manufactured later IMO. I´m talking from period pictures and original medal bars. Dies still exist and I had them in my hands two years ago. I´m still dealing to buy them.
Anycase, I had forgot your version when I said in another post in this thread that appart from the hollow one, the other versions were made just to collectors. This version shown by you is IMO made in the late 60´s or early 70´s, mainly for Blue Div vets. My fault.

[pattex]

Dear friend, it´s not a question of opinion there. Egaña didn´t made this medal never. I´ve researched the german medals "made in Spain" for years, contacting with the markers and with hundreds of pieces in my hands. Even I published a book about Militaria of the Blue Division 2 years ago, and you can be sure: Egaña didn´t make this medal.
Anycase, if you have any definitive proof about this question to be shown here, please do it.
A pleasure sharing with you.
Regards

Hello,
sorry for my late answer, I saw 4 complete sets in the last years, all from Egana, exactly same style and in different conditions.

Could you do me a favour and post the link to the hollow example? I can't find it.

best regards
Pattex

[Gregorio Torres]

Here is the link to see the hollow model from my collection
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...sh+made&page=2