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    crusade against communism medal

    Hello,

    I got this "crusade against communism" medal and when I compared it with my other one I noticed a lot of diferences between them. See for yourself:
    The left one is standard Rumanian issue, but how about the right one? Is it german made or post ww2? Has anyone seen these differences before?
    It has no designer mark, different design of head, lettering, hand, sword, suspension ring! etc.

    Thanks, Michel


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    I would say a post war reproduction.


    Al

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      #3
      Originally posted by Al P View Post
      I would say a post war reproduction.


      Al
      why?



      p.s. It is definitely German.....

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        #4
        Are you saying it is an original?

        Al

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          Possibly-

          The Vienna mint made these during the war. German ones lack the P. Grant underneath.

          After the war these were also produced by a German firm and Souval.

          I know what Souval ones look like-esp. the ones produced in the 1960s and 1970s.
          This may be a 1960s German piece-but it may also be war time German made.
          I can't say for certain unless I had it in my hands (weight, smell, etc.).

          The narrow planchet, "fine head outline" etc. all show up on earlier German ribbons and sometimes, have shown up in (alleged) U.S. vets' bring backs.
          Last edited by McCulloh; 01-15-2009, 08:12 PM. Reason: add sentence

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            #6
            Have these Vienna mint awards been discussed in another thread somewhere and I missed it? I have a few questions, but if the info is already available I would love to read it.

            Al

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              Originally posted by McCulloh View Post
              Possibly-

              The Vienna mint made these during the war. German ones lack the P. Grant underneath.

              After the war these were also produced by a German firm and Souval.

              I know what Souval ones look like-esp. the ones produced in the 1960s and 1970s.
              This may be a 1960s German piece-but it may also be war time German made.
              I can't say for certain unless I had it in my hands (weight, smell, etc.).

              The narrow planchet, "fine head outline" etc. all show up on earlier German ribbons and sometimes, have shown up in (alleged) U.S. vets' bring backs.
              Hello, very interesting! I'm collecting for about 15 years now and this was the first time I saw one made like this. Because it is so fine detailed and fine quality, I didn't think it was a reproduction.
              Indeed it lacks the p.grant and even a complete different mal was made for it.
              Could you give any guidelines between the ww2 german made and post war ones? (weights?) What can smell tell me? Are they rare?

              Thanks, Michel

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                #8
                Hello McCulloh, please see my questions in the post above.

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                  #9
                  I can not post pictures here-being only a lowly member. however, at another forum a couple of the lads and I are going to do a BIG thread on these within a month or so. (That's the plan anyway).

                  A Romanian contact has several actual veterans AND THEIR MEDALS to show us.

                  In the meantime, this German style variant has been around at least since the early 1980s and was mentioned in a JOMSA article note following Dr. Kleitmans' series on this medal. It appears to PROBABLY be a war time production piece, made by one of the two German firms who made these.

                  It is not rare at all-probably @ 1 MILLION were handed out. The bronze P Grant and unmarked versions have been dug up in graves in Russia-and illustrated on this very forum.

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