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    Fire Cross 1-st klass

    Your opinion please, thanks to all in advance.

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          #5
          IMO its a original model of this rare award.

          Carlos

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            #6
            Real nice and original nice find compleet with case

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              #7
              That's a second class

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                #8
                No that is a second pattern 1st class.

                The First pattern was a pin back and 50mm in size, The second pattern was shrunk down to 43mm and made a suspended medal and it was gold like this one the 2nd class was silver and It would be very very hard to fake a silver up to a gold without mucking up the medal.

                Not sure which one is more 'rare' when I had them I had bought the whole set at once and one of the few I ever had with boxes.

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                  #9
                  Thank you very much for your comments. Question about the case, shouldnt a first class case have a golden line on the perimeter of the top part of the case? Similar to DK cases?
                  And how many awards of 1-st klass have taken place?
                  Last edited by MasterBo; 07-25-2008, 03:42 PM.

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                    I learned something more

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                      Originally posted by MasterBo View Post
                      Thank you very much for your comments. Question about the case, shouldnt a first class case have a golden line on the perimeter of the top part of the case? Similar to DK cases?
                      And how many awards of 1-st klass have taken place?
                      Yes it should, the box for the gold is also longer than the one for the silver.

                      Here's mine, I took the image on a bright day so the ribbon & award look brighter/newer than they actually are. The box is also recessed so that the award fits perfectly.

                      I do not unfortunately have images of the outside of the box but there is a gold line around the top.

                      Cheers
                      Don
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                        #12
                        Fire Service Cross

                        Here's my cased award. As you can see, the case has a gold line around the top.

                        The dimesions are 108mm x 64mm x 18mm deep.

                        Stan
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                          The very rare 1st class box. The other is the 2nd class box. The naughty boys have been guilding the 2nd class cross, enhancing the value. Pays your money takes your chances. An original 1st class with box is an extreem rarity.

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                            Do you mean gilding the Cross or Box?

                            The box would not be that hard but the cross??

                            I guess one could do it to a silver cross using gold leaf but that would come off very quickly by a simple scrape with he finger nail showing the silver underneath. This would never happen with a real gold one.

                            One way to tell if the dealer uses Cotton gloves to hold the piece I would be very suspicions that it is a gilded 2nd class

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                              Fire Service Cross

                              Chris is right about the case being rare.

                              When I was at the show in Gunzenhausen last year I asked Helmut Weitze if he had anything "special" to show me. He produced a 1st Class Fire Cross in it's case (the same as the one I have shown above) and told me that the price was €2250. I already had this award so I wasn't interested in buying his but I asked him why the price was so high and he explained that the case of a 1st Class Fire Service cross is very rare.

                              The set sold within a few minutes.

                              Stan

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