Opinions Please

[Tim B.]

I was trying to acquire this Krim shield recently and just told it, and the second one like it, were now sold.

These were originally listed as reproductions and I have to admit that I have never seen this particular style and thought they actually had a very nice look to them and questioned if in fact they might be authentic.

Too late for me, but I would like to know for future reference. Any knowledge or opinions of this style Krim? Thanks.
Tim

[pantherv]

Krim

Hi Tim....can't say I've seen this type before, but it doesn't seem to copy any original. The detail on the shield looks ok apart from that weird eagles head (maybe a worn die). And of course the suspect backing paper.

KR........Peter

[Tim B.]

Hi Peter!

Thanks for at least responding. Yes, definately different from what we're used to seeing. The eagle's head almost has that "vintage" look to it and in some ways resembles a particular style of eagle on GAB's.

45 views and nobody else has an opinion

[Tim B.]

Helloooooo, where are all you Krim collectors?

[pantherv]

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I'd like to hear other opinions on Tim's shield.....what do you think Pascal

[Stöckel]

Hello, even if I can not assign the sign and he also to me ever did not find accomodation, I would take the piece immediately. Me that pleases sign much and it has an in any case detail of an unknown manufacturer. It is the broad coastal line under the Swastika. Mfg J. Stoeckel

[Tim B.]

Hi guys!
Well, several looks but only two people commenting.

Jan, I agree and think the shield is potentially a good authentic shield despite the seller listing two of these as "replicas". I tried to buy this one as soon as I saw it (I normally don't look in the fakes section) but was told that both have already been sold.

I too like the details and the only thing that jumped out at me was the wide area under the wreath, but we have seen that on at least one other "orignal" shield as well.

Did anyone here buy these? If so, can you post better PICS here?

Surprised we have not heard from Filip or Pascal on this one.


Thanks Peter and Jan!
Tim

[Filip]

Hi guys!
Well, several looks but only two people commenting.

Jan, I agree and think the shield is potentially a good authentic shield despite the seller listing two of these as "replicas". I tried to buy this one as soon as I saw it (I normally don't look in the fakes section) but was told that both have already been sold.

I too like the details and the only thing that jumped out at me was the wide area under the wreath, but we have seen that on at least one other "orignal" shield as well.

Did anyone here buy these? If so, can you post better PICS here?

Surprised we have not heard from Filip or Pascal on this one.


Thanks Peter and Jan!
Tim

Hi Tim,

Sorry for not replying sooner, just came accros this thread now. I have never seen this particular type on the market before . Not offered as an original nor as a copy. However, I do tend to think that it’s a latter. There are a lot of new, pretty good quality copies appearing here and there lately and if this shield was sold as a copy I have no reason to doubt that the seller didn’t know what he was selling .
If the seller had more then one of these, that also, should have raised the red flag.

Filip

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Tim,

Quality wise, I think the shield looks pretty good. The thought that this is a type of Krim none of us has seen before, yet the dealer had 2 of them raises a big red flag to me. Other than the possibility of the selling getting these directly from the recipients family (the recipient might have gotten 5 at the awarding ceremony, all being from the same factory), I would say that is a very bad sign to have 2 examples of a never seen before type of Krim shield.

Tom

[Tim B.]

Hi Filip; Tom!

Yes, that thought processed through me as well, but there are details in this style that really look convincing. The backing also looked suspect, but I have to say that we still see some items now just surfacing that were never looked at before and "in some cases" thought to be fake due to the very reasons you both stated--not seen before. To play devil's advocate, we could apply that same logic to why haven't we seen these on the fake market before as well, but as Filip pointed out, there are new ones coming out that are fake and in convincing quality these days.

Here's another one on Weitze's update this weekend that looks very different and IMO, convincing; along with some other decent known original examples. If this one was in better condition, I would chance this one.

Thanks for responding and hopefully there will be more joining in.
Tim

[Filip]

Hi Filip; Tom!

Yes, that thought processed through me as well, but there are details in this style that really look convincing. The backing also looked suspect, but I have to say that we still see some items now just surfacing that were never looked at before and "in some cases" thought to be fake due to the very reasons you both stated--not seen before. To play devil's advocate, we could apply that same logic to why haven't we seen these on the fake market before as well, but as Filip pointed out, there are new ones coming out that are fake and in convincing quality these days.

Here's another one on Weitze's update this weekend that looks very different and IMO, convincing; along with some other decent known original examples. If this one was in better condition, I would chance this one.

Thanks for responding and hopefully there will be more joining in.
Tim

Tim,

The one from Weitze is what's referred to as the second patern Deumer. I like this type more then the first one actualy. Here is one of mine that is often found without any backing for direct sleeve attachment. BTW, they are also made of zinc and therefore nonemagntic.
Filip

[Pascal H.]

Hi guys,
I know only the existence of 2 other of the first type shown by Tim.
One of them is in a collection of a forum member and I only have seen pictures of this shield.
The other one I have in my collection. My shield is not magnetic and I believe to be made from brass. I have a strong feeling it is a copy.

So this is only the third time I have ever seen a shield of this type.

Here is the shield from my collection.

KR
Pascal

[Tim B.]

Hey Pascal!

Yes, I was hoping that you at least have seen this style before. I put up a comparison photo so it's easier to compare.

I wonder IF...

These are very similar and IMO either from the same stamping or... could your example be a copy of an original? Look at the red circled areas and you can see subtle differences. These differences could be due to different lighting, wear patterns, or slight angle differences that the PICS may have when the shields were photographed, but they are slightly different. The one I show appears slightly better in detail than the one you show.

-Notice the legs and claws are slightly larger/wider on your shield.
-Coastline details are very close, but slight differences too.
-The letter "K" is different and kind of odd shaped on the one I show.

The top of the eagle's head is slightly different, but I attribute that to either wear or a slightly different angle in the PIC.

Your thoughts?
Tim

[Tim B.]

Hey Filip!

You know, I never really looked at Deumer that close as the eagle's head just looks so different in the Weitze photo, but the other details are spot on for the later model Deumer. Thank you for pointing that out!

Must be the lighting that makes it appear this way and goes to show everybody that items do not always appear identical based on variances in wear, lighting, angles, shadow, etc.
Tim

[pantherv]

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You might be on to something here Tim. There does seem to be slight differences between the two posted. It would be nice to see a clear scan of the eagles head on your one Tim.

Nice shield Filip, is this part of the spring clear-out.......

Peter