Help With ID Of Ribbon...

[Chris Taylor]

Needed a little hep with ID of the green ribbon on the end of this Keigsmarine sewn on bar.

I've checked my reference books & the Ribbon Chart on the site here, but I keep coming up with blanks.

It looks like a Bronze Medal for Bravery & Merit for the Eastern Peoples, but would that make any sense?

Does anybody out there know?

[Chris Taylor]

Here's a shot of the back....

[stogieman]

Green Ribbon...

Hi Chris, I don't believe you'll ever find an "Eastern People's Award" of any class in a German group.. wasn't that award strictly for foreigners?? Pre-1935, Saxony had a True-Service in Labor award that came on an all-green ribbon. A remote possibility.... anybody else?

[Chris Taylor]

Thanks Stogieman,

Yes this was my understanding too, in regards to the Medals for Bravery & Merit for the Eastern Peoples.

Also, I don't think it would go with an Austria Hungary bravery medal, Freikorps Eagle Decoration & a Turkey War Medal.

Plus the fact that if this is a Keigsmarine ribbon bar, well I don't think they would have let any Eastern Peoples in the Kreigsmarine to begin with. Would They?

This one has had me stumped for a while now.

[Rick Research]

I recognize that ribbon bar as one from a group on a Niemann update this past spring sometime. There were other ribbon bars, which didn't match, and I recall that this seemed to be a "close enough" ribbon for what was on the full medal bar?

As it is, it would be the Turkish Lifesaving Medal on "green" ribbon. There were several ribbons for classes.

Green on the end there could also be an Italian Order of Saints Maurice and Lazarus, or maybe something Hungarian--or Swedish!

I don't remember what that was actually supposed to be based on the other items sold indivdually, some time in the last few months at Niemann's-- anybody?

Here's one on the end of the middle bar in part of my Turkish related bars. That from position IS the Turkish Life Saving Medal.

[Rick Research]

As an example of why Solid Color Ribbons Are Not A Good Idea here is a double set of Vizeadmiral zS Joachim Lietzmann's ribbons, showing his Swedish Vasa and Hungarian Merit Orders... both on plain green ribbons.

What looks like "different" shades of green from the front is actually simply a different dye batch, because the unfaded reverses are absolutely the same to the naked eye.

His career is fully researched, so identification of the ribbons would have been possible even without the "Kleindekoration" class indicating devices. Someone unknown, however, with plain ribbons... outta luck, then!

[Dave Danner]

BTW, Eastern People's Medals could be awarded to Germans, but I believe only in silver (both 1st and 2nd class), in which case the ribbon would have had to have white stripes.

Another all green ribbon possibility would be the Hungarian Signum Laudis on the civil ribbon.

Dave

[Chris Taylor]

Thanks guys,
Great info & Rick awesome bars!

I did purchase this one from Detlev sometime twords the end of last year.

At the time I remember he had more than one of this exact bar, so it's quite possible it was relisted in another group later on.

So, I went looking for my paper work, to see exactly when I had purchased it (8/8/2002) and well it turns out I printed out the description page from Detlev & he lists all the decorations on this bar. (I just have to get more organized !)

Anyway, he lists it as a "Italien Earth Quake Medal 1908".

Does this sound right?

[Rick Research]

Ah! THAT jogs the memory (oh, for Printed Catalogs and not these ephemeral weekly updates!!! )

That would be correctly white, small equal edges and center stripes, divided by a wider green stripe:
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Now, as I remember, this officer was described as a Uboat man, but I'm wondering if the absence of the usual round gold A-H MMC3wWar Dec device on the Austro-Hungarian ribbon was a "close" enough like the all green "make do" or... if this man was actually a medical officer and that "bravery" generic ribbon TRULY represents a Franz Joseph Order-Knight on the war ribbon...

The two German ships I can find record of there were the "Hertha" and "Victoria Louise." Both were packed with officer candidates, and from what I can tell, "everybody" must have gotten these medals-- which means about 100 officers (then or later)...

absence of long service awards indicates that THIS officer went out as a junior officer after WW1 and was called back zV for WW2. Post war regulars, senior 1908 officers, 1930s (E) officers, paymasters, and engineers can all be scratched.

That leaves about 80 possibles to be checked in the Rank Lists and Honor Rank List!