57 Pattern Ribbon Bar

[Phil_C]

Hi,

I've seen this ribbon bar on an auction site, I have no experience with these. Are they faked? This is the only picture posted and it is sold as is. The price at the moment is £4.

Cheers
Phil

[erichcraciun]

Good price for what it is ( awards probably to a Gebirgsjägerveteran).

I do not think the 57 pattern ribbon bars are 'faked'. Have not seen one yet. Rick? Daniel? Your opinions?

Erich Craciun

[Rick Research]

Yup. Looks fine to me.

I'm sure the more "exotic" stuff may get faked-- everything worth anything is being faked by lowlifes somewhere, but these early Bundeswehr bars don't seem to be... yet.

BTW, the ones I have and have seen do NOT fluoresce under blacklight either.

[Phil_C]

Thanks guy's, I'll try to get it if the dam auction site will let me join moremad dam technology. I didn't think 57 stuff was being faked.

Cheers
Phil

[Mark S.]

dont be so sure guys. I have seen quite a few 57 versions that must have belonged to some hellacious war heros if real. I am sure that there are some real ones heavily laden with sheilds, badges, all the iron crosses, etc. but it seems every one lately is above and beyond the regular call of duty. This has to be the 4th or 5th KRETA one I have seen in half a year.

I could be wrong though..best advice is just to stay on your toes.

[Daniel Krause]

yup, nice one. I have no problem with it.

In the point of faking this bars I agree with Rick. Everything what brings money is faked. Take care for possible and sense-making combos, then You are on the right side. Fakers know mostly about money but not about the stuff they are producing.

Best regards

Daniel

[Johnny d]

Nice and hard to come by.

[Phil_C]

Thanks again, I think I will go for this as it's not expensive, heres some better pics any way

Regards
Phil

[Rick Research]

I've also seen the cuff title devices in a "triangle" shape, like the entire loose metal cuffband was "draped" on the ribbon.

Alas, my knowledge of these runs out with 1945.

Here is my only example: matches yours for pin construction and backing. this came with the single below, for the Spanish 1936-39 Campaign Medal-- which I didn't think was allowed for wear 1957+!?

[Rick Research]

Backs. Ones I assume are later are on a "slide back" rather like U.S. ribbon bars, various types, with pins.

[Daniel Krause]

Hi Rick,

the GERMAN Spanish Cross was banned, but the SPANISH decorations for the war were FOREIGN and so allowed in 1957.

Best regards

Daniel

[Daniel Krause]

forgot...here is one from my collection;

Oberwachtmeister Neudorf.

[Rick Research]

what is the 1st device in the 2nd row? Isn't it strange that a SHIELD badge should come before the Ostmedaille? And it seems they REALLY didn't like the KVK2X!!!

Still, nice to see he went from firing up tanks... to putting out fires!

[Dez H]

Looks like a General Assault Badge there in first place, second row.

[Daniel Krause]

Hi,

1st device 2nd row is indeed the general assault bagde. He was Artillery thats why the general one.

BTW here the 1957 regulations: (sorry but only in German)

40 mm ribbons
Großes Verdienstkreuz und höhere Stufen des Verdienstordens der Bundesrepublik Deutschland
Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes in seinen Stufen
Ritterkreuz des Kriegsverdienstkreuzes mit und ohne Schwerter
Olympia-Ehrenzeichen 1.Klasse
Bayerischer Verdienstorden
Großes Verdienstkreuz des Niedersächsischen Verdienstordens
Ehrenzeichen des Deutschen Roten Kreuzes 1.Klasse (1922-1937)
Orden Pour le Merite für Wissenschaften und Künste
Johanniterorden in seinen Stufen

25 mm ribbons
Verdienstkreuz 1.Klasse des Verdienstordens der Bundesrepublik Deutschland
Ehrenblattspange oder Ehrentafelspange
Deutsches Kreuz in Gold
Eisernes Kreuz 1.Klasse
Deutsches Kreuz in Silber
Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1.Klasse
Verdienstkreuz am Bande des Verdienstordens der Bundesrepublik Deutschland
Rettungsmedaille am Band
Eisernes Kreuz 2.Klasse
Orden und Ehrenzeichen für Verdienste im Ersten Weltkrieg in der Reihenfolge ihrer Verleihung
Nahkampf-, Frontflug- und Marinespangen und Kampfabzeichen mit Einsatzzahlen
Verwundetenabzeichen
Verdienstmedaille des Verdienstordens der Bundesrepublik Deutschland
Sonderabzeichen für Panzer- und Tieffliegervernichtung
Sturm-, Kampf- oder Kriegsabzeichen einschließlich der Schilde
Ehrenkreuz des Ersten Weltkriegs
Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2.Klasse
Medaille “Winterschlacht im Osten 1941/42”
Leistungs- und Tätigkeitsabzeichen
Deutsche Friedensauszeichnungen in der Reihenfolge ihrer Verleihung
Staatlich genehmigte Auszeichnungen in der Reihenfolge ihrer Verleihung
Ausländische Tapferkeitsauszeichnungen
Sonstige ausländische Auszeichnungen

forbiden are:

Deutscher Nationalpreis für Kunst und Wissenschaft
Verdienstorden vom Deutschen Adler
SS-Dienstauszeichnung
Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 13.März 1938
Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 01.Oktober 1938
Medaille zur Erinnerung an die Heimkehr des Memellandes
Ehrenkreuz der Deutschen Mutter
Spanienkreuz
Ehrenkreuz für Hinterbliebene deutscher Spanienkämpfer
Verwundetenabzeichen für deutsche Freiwillige im spanischen Freiheitskampf
Panzertruppenabzeichen der Legion Condor
Ehrenzeichen für deutsche Volkspflege
Deutsches Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen
Sport-, Leistungs- und Siegerabzeichen

Best regards

Daniel