Spanish Campaign Medal-lg.condor

[CIANO]

Dear All,

May be you can help me, specially our Spanish Members in the Forum...

I have this medal in my collection, for a couple of years, and as you may know this medal was given also to the Germans of the Legion Condor, and to the Italians of the CTV, that fought alongside the Franco Nationalist troops.
This is a common medal, and we can still find it at reasonable prices.

My question, regarding my medal is about the "ring" that is completely different from the majority of the medals that we can see in several dealers...

This is a variation, or a fake, or a different manufacture?

Thank you for your knowledge about this question.

herewith my medal

[CIANO]

and here it is the more common medal, and as you can see the catch"ring" is different ...and has the normal "Spanish look",or "Spanish made", that we can find in other Spanish Medals..
Did the Germans also produced this Medal?

[Raffaello Carola]

Ciao Ciano,

the medal was istituited 26.01.1937 for all the military of
"Fuerzas Nacionales" and for the not military corps "Servizi
de Retroguardia" with difference ribbon with the green strips
(for military is black strips) was produced from Industrias
Ega******241;a, Motrico. Guip******250;zcoa in the 1938 and many german
and italian are insigned.
Unfortunately this medal is produced from 1938 at 70' years
and is very really common.
Sorry to say in my opinion your medal is postwar, I think is
not difficult to find an good wartime textbook medal.
un saluto
Raffaello/Quex

[CIANO]

Salve Quex,

Grazie.
What are the differences between a War period Medal and a post war made during the 60's or 70's?
The second one posted is a War period made insn´t it?

Cordiali Saluti,

Ciano

[Raffaello Carola]

Ciao Ciano,
in your medal not only the ball suspsension is different the coin
stamp and the gold/black finish is different from original production
of Industrias Ega******241;a the official production of this medal (war and postwar)
have an really good standard of quality.
In all the original medals I have seen have the ball suspension, Sorry I think
your medal is not original.
un saluto
Raffaello/Quex

[Anthony N]

Not many people know the answer to this, but there are 2 small differences at least between the war produced Spanish Civil War medal & ones produced after 1945.
One is to do with how flat the back of the medal is.
The obvious one is on the front & back of the medal by the ring is a small air balloon type object. I have seen many of them on Third Reich medal bars & they ALL have this small air balloon object.
Take a look at this thread, all the Third Reich medal bars with the Spanish Civil war medal have that little object:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...how+medal+bars
Please note that every dealer who has one of these in stock at the moment has a post war one regardless of what they say.
Here is my only one on a medal bar, don't let people tell you a wartime one is common, i have been searching for 5 months now & can only find one damaged one!

[Anthony N]

Here is the picture with the object marked which is not on any shown in your pictures

[fugpaw]

Ant, thanks for the information about the "balloon" object - this appears to confirm the suspicions I have about the medal I have - the balloon is not there.

[Anthony N]

No problem, you wouldn't believe how long it took me to find this information out, incredibly hard to find.
Even the ones i have been offered by Spanish dealers come without that balloon object.
Still nice without the balloon, i reckon the wartime ones will be pretty expensive in comparison.
Ant.

[CIANO]

Hi antwhiplash,

Thank you very much for your knowledge and experience, regarding this medal.
I didn´t know anything about the markings of these medals, as I thought that were not marked at all. :
I am collecting for more than 20 years, and we are always learning!,that is why I love this hobby...

Also congratulations for your nice set of Medals.

regards

Ciano

[Anthony N]

Thanks Ciano!
No problem, i am just a very obsessed man, when i saw all the medal bars had this type of Spanish Medal on but the ones i saw for sale were slightly different i had to find out why. It took a long time.
Glad to have been of service to you & any other collectors, but i won't be a friend of any dealers now
Ant

[ADOLPH]

Thanks Ant,

I´ve never notice it, and I have a few Spanish Campaign Medals. One of them belonging to my Granfather.

These medals were awarded after the war, during many years after. I´ve seen certificates were the medal was awarded in 1945. It´s like what happened with the Hindenburg cross. Some people received in 1935 and some others where still waiting for it in 1940.

One thing everyone should know about these type of medals is that they´re still being produced and sold at military shops as replacement for veterans here in Spain. The quality of the modern ones is awful. Almost all black and very shiny.
You can also find the russian campaign medal, KVKII, and Iron crosess 1st Class!!! Everything for the Blue Division veterans. As I said, the quality is very bad.

Regards,
Adolph.

[Anthony N]

Thanks Adolph
The more information we have the better!
Ant.

[Scott C.]

Most of the medal bars with the SCW campaign medal I've seen (and two that I own) have the small triangle/baloon at the top of the medal (front and back). However, there are period authentic SCW campaign medals without the triangle/baloon.

Scott

(top bar credit: Francois Saez/GMIC; bottom photo credit: Jacques/GMIC)

[CIANO]

Hi,

Well...Now I am more confused...
I must confess that all these sets are beautiful.

One conclusion I made: Mine without "baloon" is defenitevely a post war made

Anyway I think that the thread is getting interesting, because sometimes some "common" medals, we don´t pay much attention to their particularities and after some research we can have some surprises...

Keep going posting your medals and may be we can have a final conclusion

regards

Ciano