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**Adam H** · 01-22-2003, 02:52 PM

Thanks for sharing, Claudio!

Looks very impressive. Is the combination possible? I don't see any glaring errors but this really isn't my strong suit.

It's got to be worth 1100 Euros, no?

Damn I hate being poor! ha!

Cheers

Adam

**JensF.** · 01-22-2003, 04:27 PM

Impossible not, but very very.... aahh... "interesting"

**JensF.** · 01-22-2003, 04:33 PM

Same seller, another MONSTER bar:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=3202912624

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**Adam H** · 01-22-2003, 04:40 PM

Interesting indeed

Interesting is more along the lines of what I was alluding to...

Surely a bar of this magnitude would be attributable? That is, if it is not made up...

Otherwise I guess it's just worth the sum of the value of each individual medal.

Cheers

Adam

**stogieman** · 01-22-2003, 05:06 PM

They look...

...OK, the only real question I had was on the Austrian Bar it looks like an Eastern people's Award, Second Class. I don't believe that would have been awarded to an Austrian. The Austrian Iron Crown & FJO look legit, so if somebody "cannibalized" to make these, it cost them a few Euros to do it!

**Adam H** · 01-23-2003, 05:49 AM

hmmm...

Both these auctions seem to have been cancelled...not sure if by ebay or by the seller? Very peculiar indeed.

I think you are right Rick that does indeed look like an "Ostvolk" decoration, and it's my understanding that an Austrian would not get one, unless perhaps they were awarded to commanders of "Ost" units? Can anyone enlighten us on this?

Cheers

Adam

**Rick Research** · 01-23-2003, 09:33 AM

These are "kitchen sink" frauds. Real life was rarely as "Spectacular" as these. These are so far over the top I am incoherent with derision and scorn for the butchers.

Although the style of medal bar with flat bottom, no "bow" of ribbon behind the bottom of the awards WAS an original style, it was an uncommon original style.

It is the constantly overworked choice for currently being mass produced Frankenstein frauds, because it is so much easier to snip off ribbons and sew them flat top, flat bottom like these.

Although not an AUTOMATIC indicator of fakery, when you see one of these NOWADAYS, be immediately on your guard and start checking all the other problems.

Like how an Austrian WW1 Super Hero was in the German POLICE (no ribbon emblem) on the WESTWALL in spring 1939....

The vile, despicable, and utterly IMBECILIC ghouls who wantonly ruin ORIGINAL items of real EXISTING value in order to present butchered sh!t like this simply demonstrates how incredibly STUPID greedy human bacteria are, LESSENING value of items that were valuable before being RUINED by Where Eagles Dare "enhancement." Tarring and feathering, horsewhipping etc etc are all too good for these moronic vandals. These buttwipes must be bronze-plating Olympic gold medals in other scams of equal "genius."

moremad moremad moremad moremad

**Ed_Haynes** · 01-23-2003, 10:25 AM

C'mon, Rick. Tell us what you REALLY think!

In shared sentiment,

Ed Haynes

**Rick Research** · 01-23-2003, 10:30 AM

Just a few more comments, now that I have settled my breakfast back down:

In the first butchered Where Eagles Dare bar, the Super Hero has managed to combine both an Iron Crown with War Decoration and the large silver bravery medal as given to officers. Fair enough, for a Super Hero, with the other Austrian WW1 stuff... EXCEPT for the Franz Joseph Order on War Ribbon: given to doctors, staff types, etc and never, to my knowledge, to the LIEUTENANT that this group presents itself as belonging to (no 1908 Military Jubilee Cross....)

The second bar is just such profound garbage words still fail me. Typical, absolutely typical, of the "let's slap every single "cheap" enlisted award we can think of onto a bar"---

NINE, in the case of this simultaneous Gefreiter-Feldwebel of Combat-Rear Area-Red Cross with no imperial military long service award.

Of course, junior enlisted men were lucky to get TWO awards. This is just utterly preposterous.

This "Super Hero" managed "miraculously" to rack up awards from Prussia, Bavaria, Hamburg, Hesse, Württemberg, Austria-Hungary (as no more than a Gefreiter), toss in a ludicruously mismounted KVK2, add a Saxon WW1 War Effort cross just for fun, stick in a Prussian Red Cross Medal, then finish with a Bulgarian CIVIL Merit Order Cross in Silver With Crown-- on the "BRAVERY" ribbon!!!! This last monstrosity, impossible, of course, would only have been given-- if it COULD have been-- which it could NOT-- to a senior NCO.

Garbage. Utter garbage. Half a dozen REAL bars, worth what half a dozen REAL bars are worth, were no doubt butchered to make this steekin' piece of crap. Way to go, genius ripoff artistes!

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