Hello !
I have some questions regarding the Fallschirm-Fla-MG-Bataillon and hope for some help !
What I would like to clarify is : its origin, which parts became part of Lw-Rgt. Barenthin and what happened to that unit,
after Rgt. Barenthin was captured at Tunis.
(It would also be interesting, which weapons Fsch.-Fla-MG-Btl. had : only 2cm Flak or also other calibres ?)
My current understanding :
- In 1940, it had 5 batteries and was part of 7. Flieger-Division (therefore also designated as Fsch.Flak-Abt. 7 or Fsch.Fla-Btl. 7).
(In the Feldpost entries, the designation : 1. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung etc. is used)
- From 1941 onward, it became Korps-unit of XI. Flieger-Korps.
- Kdr. was Hptm./Maj. Hanns Baier from 05/41 until ??.1943.
- 1941, the Fallschirm-Fla-MG-Btl. was sent to the area of Rshew (Dec. 41 - April 42) [Busch, Fsjg.-Chronik, p. 183]
- At least one Kp./Bttr. was sent to the Mius front with Fsjg.Rgt 2 in Dec. 1941 (was this the 4. Kp. (Chef: Hptm. Maurer /KGr. Dewald))?
[Busch, p. 39 bottom and p. 183]).
From mid 1942 onward, major reorganizations started and also my problems start :
- 7. Flieger-Division should be reorganized into 1. Fsjg.Div.
- 2. Fsjg.Div. should be formed (perhaps partially using Korps-units from XI. Flieger-Korps ?!)
The connection of Fsch.-Fla-MG-Btl. to Rgt. Barenthin (I'll use Fs.-Fla-MG, instead Fsch.-Flak-Abt., used with the FP entries ) :
Some evidence can be established from various signatures and stamps on citations, known officers and the FPNs :
The III. Btl./Rgt. Barenthin was obviously formed, using the Stab and 3 companies from the Fallschirm-Fla-MG-Btl. :
- Stab : FPN 36003 ; (Stab Fsch.-Fla-MG-Btl. => Stab III Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin (Kdr.: Maj. Baier/Maj. Rapräger ?!)
-- FPN 37885 ; 2. Bttr./Fs.-Fla-MG-Btl. => 9. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin (Chef: Hptm. Meuth ?)
-- FPN 38092 ; 3. Bttr./Fs.-Fla-MG-Btl. => 10. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin (Chef: Hptm. Grünewald ?)
-- FPN 40786 ; 5. Bttr./Fs.-Fla-MG-Btl. => 11. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin (Chef: Hptm. Parnitzke (+6.12.42); Oblt. Fikentscher)
As this was essentially the former Fsch.-Fla-MG-Btl., they still used this unit designation on the VWA citation, instead of III./Lw.Rgt. Barenthin. (my interpretation ).
My major questions are :
1.) What happened afterwards, in ~ mid 1943 ?
According to Tessin, Fallschirm Flak-Abt. 1 of the 1. Fsjg.Div. was formed with only a 1. and 4. Kp.
Interestingly, these are exactly the numbers of the two companies of Fsch.Fla-MG-Btl., not captured at Tunis.
The FPN numbers seem to indicate, that 1. (FPN 37429) and 4. (FPN 40298) Batterie Fsch-Fla-MG-Btl. => 1. and 4. Fsch-Flak-Abt. 1
Is there a connection of the "old" Fallschirm-Fla-MG-Btl. to the Flak-Abt. of the 1. Fsjg.Division ?!
2.) On the other hand, in Jan. 1944, all 5 batteries of Fsch.Flak-Abt. 1 recieved NEW FPN (but 1. only in April)
(see bottom, for a quick overview on the various FPN involved )
3.) Finally, what happened to the former Fallschirm-MG-Btl. of 7. Flieger-Division (at sometime led by Hptm. Erich Scholz) ?
The FPN seem to indicate that this unit (with 3 companies) was redesignated to Fallschirm-MG-Btl. 1
But I couldn't find it under 1. Fsjg.Div.
Was this another Korps unit of I. Fsch.Korps or where would it belong organizationally ?!
Perhaps there are some documents related to the units in question (or other infos) that could shed some light on this.
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Background of these questions is the VWA citation shown below :
I would like to get an idea, where this soldier was before and what could be his unit after the wounding in Afrika.
Some discussion already has been going on here :
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=998515
Some interesting info already has been posted in the link, but only partially answer my questions :
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ight=Barenthin
Many thanks for any help on these questions !
Best regards,
Archi
================================================== ==
For a quick reference : sources used and the relevant FPN entries :
http://gliederungundstellenbesetzung...barenthin.html
Personalities connected (data from Larry de Zeng list/ Scherzer (RKT) / Stellenbesetzung-link ):
- BAIER, Hanns. (DOB: 27.04.03). (DKG). 15.10.39 Hptm., Führer d. Messübungsstelle d. Flakart.
Schule Göppingen, appt Kdr. of Lehrstab A/Flakart. Schule IV Göppingen. 1941 Hptm., Kdr.
Fsch.Flugabwehr-Btl. 7/7. Flieger-Div. 05.41 Kdr. Fsch.Flak-Abt. 7 (and 01.42). 22.04.43 Maj. and Kdr.
III./Lw.-Rgt. Barenthin, appt provisional Kdr. Lw.-Rgt. Barenthin. 01.05.43 provisional Kdr. Lw.-Rgt.
- Barenthin, promo to Obstlt. 19.06.43 appt permanent Kdr. Lw.-Rgt. Barenthin. 23.07.43 awarded DKG,
Lw.-Rgt.Barenthin. 01.11.43 promo to Obstlt.
- ObLt. Fikentscher : DKiG 1943 (?) with Fsch.-Fla-MG-Btl.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ht=Fikentscher
- Hptm./Maj. Rapräger : 1943 acting Kdr. Fsch-Flak-Abt. 7, RK on 10.05.43 KGr.führer Lw.-Rgt. Barenthin
- Ob.Lt. Mischke : RK 18.05.43, 2./Fsch.Fla-MG-Btl.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...hlight=Mischke
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...0&postcount=10
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FPNs of Fallschirm-Fla-MG-Btl. (in the FP-Übersicht designated as : Fallschirm-Flak-Abt. )
- Stab : FPN 36003 : (28.4.1940-19.9.1940) Stab I Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung Fallschirm-Flieger-Division 7,
(1.10.1940-27.2.1941) Stab Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung,
-- FPN 37429 : (28.4.1940-19.9.1940) 1. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung,
(12.3.1943-7.9.1943) 1. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1,
-- FPN 37885 : (28.4.1940-19.9.1940) 2. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung,
(8.9.1942-11.3.1943) 9. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin,
(12.3.1943-7.9.1943) gestrichen (Tunis), u. 9. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin,
-- FPN 38092 : (28.4.1940-19.9.1940) 3. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung,
(8.9.1942-11.3.1943) 10. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin,
(8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 30.11.1943 gestrichen (Tunis) u. 3. Kompanie Fallschirm-MG-Bataillon 2,
-- FPN 40298 : (30.7.1941-28.2.1942) 4. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung,
(12.3.1943-7.9.1943) 4. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1,
(8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 10.11.1943 gestrichen,
-- FPN 40786 : (30.7.1941-28.2.1942) 5. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung,
(8.9.1942-11.3.1943) 11. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin,
(8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 30.11.1943 1. Kompanie Fallschirm-MG-Bataillon 2,
(23.4.1944-24.11.1944) 14.8.1944 gestrichen.
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Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1 (1. Fsjg.Div.) :
- Stab FPN 49540 : (8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 27.1.1944 Stab Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1.
-- FPN 37429 : (28.4.1940-19.9.1940) 1. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung,
(12.3.1943-7.9.1943) 1. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1,
(23.4.1944-24.11.1944) 26.7.1944 1. Kompanie Fallschirm-MG-Bataillon 1,
(23.4.1944-24.11.1944) 28.10.1944 Kampfschule 1. Fallschirmjäger-Division.
-- FPN 40298 : (30.7.1941-28.2.1942) 4. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung,
(12.3.1943-7.9.1943) 4. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1,
(8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 10.11.1943 gestrichen,
-- FPN 49783 : (8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 12.4.1944 1. Batterie (neu) Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1.
-- FPN 49899 : (8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 27.1.1944 2. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1.
-- FPN 50576 : (8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 27.1.1944 3. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1.
-- FPN 50653 : (8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 27.1.1944 4. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1.
-- FPN 50697 : (8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 27.1.1944 5. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1.
-- FPN 50806 : (8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 27.1.1944 Kolonne Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1.
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FPNs of III. Lw-Rgt. Barenthin:
- Stab : FPN 36003 : (8.9.1942-11.3.1943) Stab III Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin,
(12.3.1943-7.9.1943) gestrichen (Tunis),
-- FPN 37885 : (8.9.1942-11.3.1943) 9. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin,
(12.3.1943-7.9.1943) gestrichen (Tunis),
-- FPN 38092 : (8.9.1942-11.3.1943) 10. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin,
(8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 30.11.1943 gestrichen (Tunis)
-- FPN 40786 : (8.9.1942-11.3.1943) 11. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin,
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I have some questions regarding the Fallschirm-Fla-MG-Bataillon and hope for some help !
What I would like to clarify is : its origin, which parts became part of Lw-Rgt. Barenthin and what happened to that unit,
after Rgt. Barenthin was captured at Tunis.
(It would also be interesting, which weapons Fsch.-Fla-MG-Btl. had : only 2cm Flak or also other calibres ?)
My current understanding :
- In 1940, it had 5 batteries and was part of 7. Flieger-Division (therefore also designated as Fsch.Flak-Abt. 7 or Fsch.Fla-Btl. 7).
(In the Feldpost entries, the designation : 1. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung etc. is used)
- From 1941 onward, it became Korps-unit of XI. Flieger-Korps.
- Kdr. was Hptm./Maj. Hanns Baier from 05/41 until ??.1943.
- 1941, the Fallschirm-Fla-MG-Btl. was sent to the area of Rshew (Dec. 41 - April 42) [Busch, Fsjg.-Chronik, p. 183]
- At least one Kp./Bttr. was sent to the Mius front with Fsjg.Rgt 2 in Dec. 1941 (was this the 4. Kp. (Chef: Hptm. Maurer /KGr. Dewald))?
[Busch, p. 39 bottom and p. 183]).
From mid 1942 onward, major reorganizations started and also my problems start :
- 7. Flieger-Division should be reorganized into 1. Fsjg.Div.
- 2. Fsjg.Div. should be formed (perhaps partially using Korps-units from XI. Flieger-Korps ?!)
The connection of Fsch.-Fla-MG-Btl. to Rgt. Barenthin (I'll use Fs.-Fla-MG, instead Fsch.-Flak-Abt., used with the FP entries ) :
Some evidence can be established from various signatures and stamps on citations, known officers and the FPNs :
The III. Btl./Rgt. Barenthin was obviously formed, using the Stab and 3 companies from the Fallschirm-Fla-MG-Btl. :
- Stab : FPN 36003 ; (Stab Fsch.-Fla-MG-Btl. => Stab III Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin (Kdr.: Maj. Baier/Maj. Rapräger ?!)
-- FPN 37885 ; 2. Bttr./Fs.-Fla-MG-Btl. => 9. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin (Chef: Hptm. Meuth ?)
-- FPN 38092 ; 3. Bttr./Fs.-Fla-MG-Btl. => 10. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin (Chef: Hptm. Grünewald ?)
-- FPN 40786 ; 5. Bttr./Fs.-Fla-MG-Btl. => 11. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin (Chef: Hptm. Parnitzke (+6.12.42); Oblt. Fikentscher)
As this was essentially the former Fsch.-Fla-MG-Btl., they still used this unit designation on the VWA citation, instead of III./Lw.Rgt. Barenthin. (my interpretation ).
My major questions are :
1.) What happened afterwards, in ~ mid 1943 ?
According to Tessin, Fallschirm Flak-Abt. 1 of the 1. Fsjg.Div. was formed with only a 1. and 4. Kp.
Interestingly, these are exactly the numbers of the two companies of Fsch.Fla-MG-Btl., not captured at Tunis.
The FPN numbers seem to indicate, that 1. (FPN 37429) and 4. (FPN 40298) Batterie Fsch-Fla-MG-Btl. => 1. and 4. Fsch-Flak-Abt. 1
Is there a connection of the "old" Fallschirm-Fla-MG-Btl. to the Flak-Abt. of the 1. Fsjg.Division ?!
2.) On the other hand, in Jan. 1944, all 5 batteries of Fsch.Flak-Abt. 1 recieved NEW FPN (but 1. only in April)
(see bottom, for a quick overview on the various FPN involved )
3.) Finally, what happened to the former Fallschirm-MG-Btl. of 7. Flieger-Division (at sometime led by Hptm. Erich Scholz) ?
The FPN seem to indicate that this unit (with 3 companies) was redesignated to Fallschirm-MG-Btl. 1
But I couldn't find it under 1. Fsjg.Div.
Was this another Korps unit of I. Fsch.Korps or where would it belong organizationally ?!
Perhaps there are some documents related to the units in question (or other infos) that could shed some light on this.
-----------------
Background of these questions is the VWA citation shown below :
I would like to get an idea, where this soldier was before and what could be his unit after the wounding in Afrika.
Some discussion already has been going on here :
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=998515
Some interesting info already has been posted in the link, but only partially answer my questions :
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ight=Barenthin
Many thanks for any help on these questions !
Best regards,
Archi
================================================== ==
For a quick reference : sources used and the relevant FPN entries :
http://gliederungundstellenbesetzung...barenthin.html
Personalities connected (data from Larry de Zeng list/ Scherzer (RKT) / Stellenbesetzung-link ):
- BAIER, Hanns. (DOB: 27.04.03). (DKG). 15.10.39 Hptm., Führer d. Messübungsstelle d. Flakart.
Schule Göppingen, appt Kdr. of Lehrstab A/Flakart. Schule IV Göppingen. 1941 Hptm., Kdr.
Fsch.Flugabwehr-Btl. 7/7. Flieger-Div. 05.41 Kdr. Fsch.Flak-Abt. 7 (and 01.42). 22.04.43 Maj. and Kdr.
III./Lw.-Rgt. Barenthin, appt provisional Kdr. Lw.-Rgt. Barenthin. 01.05.43 provisional Kdr. Lw.-Rgt.
- Barenthin, promo to Obstlt. 19.06.43 appt permanent Kdr. Lw.-Rgt. Barenthin. 23.07.43 awarded DKG,
Lw.-Rgt.Barenthin. 01.11.43 promo to Obstlt.
- ObLt. Fikentscher : DKiG 1943 (?) with Fsch.-Fla-MG-Btl.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ht=Fikentscher
- Hptm./Maj. Rapräger : 1943 acting Kdr. Fsch-Flak-Abt. 7, RK on 10.05.43 KGr.führer Lw.-Rgt. Barenthin
- Ob.Lt. Mischke : RK 18.05.43, 2./Fsch.Fla-MG-Btl.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...hlight=Mischke
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...0&postcount=10
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FPNs of Fallschirm-Fla-MG-Btl. (in the FP-Übersicht designated as : Fallschirm-Flak-Abt. )
- Stab : FPN 36003 : (28.4.1940-19.9.1940) Stab I Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung Fallschirm-Flieger-Division 7,
(1.10.1940-27.2.1941) Stab Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung,
-- FPN 37429 : (28.4.1940-19.9.1940) 1. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung,
(12.3.1943-7.9.1943) 1. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1,
-- FPN 37885 : (28.4.1940-19.9.1940) 2. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung,
(8.9.1942-11.3.1943) 9. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin,
(12.3.1943-7.9.1943) gestrichen (Tunis), u. 9. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin,
-- FPN 38092 : (28.4.1940-19.9.1940) 3. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung,
(8.9.1942-11.3.1943) 10. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin,
(8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 30.11.1943 gestrichen (Tunis) u. 3. Kompanie Fallschirm-MG-Bataillon 2,
-- FPN 40298 : (30.7.1941-28.2.1942) 4. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung,
(12.3.1943-7.9.1943) 4. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1,
(8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 10.11.1943 gestrichen,
-- FPN 40786 : (30.7.1941-28.2.1942) 5. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung,
(8.9.1942-11.3.1943) 11. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin,
(8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 30.11.1943 1. Kompanie Fallschirm-MG-Bataillon 2,
(23.4.1944-24.11.1944) 14.8.1944 gestrichen.
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Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1 (1. Fsjg.Div.) :
- Stab FPN 49540 : (8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 27.1.1944 Stab Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1.
-- FPN 37429 : (28.4.1940-19.9.1940) 1. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung,
(12.3.1943-7.9.1943) 1. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1,
(23.4.1944-24.11.1944) 26.7.1944 1. Kompanie Fallschirm-MG-Bataillon 1,
(23.4.1944-24.11.1944) 28.10.1944 Kampfschule 1. Fallschirmjäger-Division.
-- FPN 40298 : (30.7.1941-28.2.1942) 4. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung,
(12.3.1943-7.9.1943) 4. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1,
(8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 10.11.1943 gestrichen,
-- FPN 49783 : (8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 12.4.1944 1. Batterie (neu) Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1.
-- FPN 49899 : (8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 27.1.1944 2. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1.
-- FPN 50576 : (8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 27.1.1944 3. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1.
-- FPN 50653 : (8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 27.1.1944 4. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1.
-- FPN 50697 : (8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 27.1.1944 5. Batterie Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1.
-- FPN 50806 : (8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 27.1.1944 Kolonne Fallschirm-Flak-Abteilung 1.
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FPNs of III. Lw-Rgt. Barenthin:
- Stab : FPN 36003 : (8.9.1942-11.3.1943) Stab III Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin,
(12.3.1943-7.9.1943) gestrichen (Tunis),
-- FPN 37885 : (8.9.1942-11.3.1943) 9. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin,
(12.3.1943-7.9.1943) gestrichen (Tunis),
-- FPN 38092 : (8.9.1942-11.3.1943) 10. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin,
(8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 30.11.1943 gestrichen (Tunis)
-- FPN 40786 : (8.9.1942-11.3.1943) 11. Kompanie Luftwaffen-Regiment Barenthin,
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