eStand fake - 1st Fallschirm. Korps Pin

[Willi Z.]

He is the only one who does honest research? Seriously?

If original did not turn up at some point, how would anyone know to make fakes? You mean they are fantasy items?

Perhaps he might be able to learn something from those who have focused on FJ items for decades.

How insulting and self-righteous.

[jack1]

Where is this oozing venom? I don't even know the guy. I know what others have to say, but that matters not to me. I only care what has been said on this thread. And his allegations. Check the WAF rules about such conduct.

I should have said across fora and not just this one.
Not talking about this thread in particular.

[Jo Rivett]

If original did not turn up at some point, how would anyone know to make fakes? You mean they are fantasy items?

Yes, the "Symonds" method of not bothering to read posts and just "going off on one" has infected a lot here. A shame really.
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I wrote a short article about them too, linked to the Japanese faker and where they can be aquired. Also showing an original.

I am - of course - not prepared to enter into any form of debate with people who cannot be bothered to even read my posts.

For those who can`t understand German, the insult towards me that garnished a giggle from MOD-Willy, translates to: Stupid babbeling, the guy has no idea.

If that is what a few of you here chose to believe, then by all means. And if you really, honestly, deep down inside your tummies think that i have no idea what i am on about, then why not simply prove me wrong.

Insulting me, is not going to get you where you want to be.

[SkaraBrae]

Anyone with eyeball can see Japanese fake have longer pin and lower towards point pin catch than one sold on eStand by Larry F.

One sold on eStand may also be fake, but it is not same as Japanese fake.

A few originals from factory, most sold today as original by dealers are false. Original packets thin crinkley translucent tissue like onion skin, fragile now.

[Wood]

http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/ha/schmidt/ordenuehren.html

Near the bottom of the page
A scary place, I had forgotton about.
Pete

[Jo Rivett]

http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/ha/schmidt/ordenuehren.html

Near the bottom of the page
A scary place, I had forgotton about.
Pete

There are even scarier places, when it comes to cloth items especially!!
It does good to keep in touch with the Dark Side, although to be honest, today you can find most of the same junk on dealers sites, so you could just skip out the faker and go straight to the experts if you wanted to see a load of old cobblers.

[Willi Z.]

Anyone with eyeball can see Japanese fake have longer pin and lower towards point pin catch than one sold on eStand by Larry F.

One sold on eStand may also be fake, but it is not same as Japanese fake.

A few originals from factory, most sold today as original by dealers are false. Original packets thin crinkley translucent tissue like onion skin, fragile now.

I agree.

I wonder when that Japanese company first started up.

The set Larry posted is identical to the ones which I first saw when one George P. had around 1999/ 2000, and those the Italian officer brought over at the SOS shortly thereafter.

Jo's manner of "discussion" is simply "you WILL believe what I say, and accept it because I am at the TOP of my game".......

[Willi Z.]

Insulting me, is not going to get you where you want to be.

Insulting others, and hurling allegations about crooked mods is not where YOU want to be AGAIN. Trust me.

You can claim the problem is about disagreement and debate, but it is not.

[Jo Rivett]

Jo's manner of "discussion" is simply "you WILL believe what I say, and accept it because I am at the TOP of my game".......

My "manner of discussion" can be seen in articles and books i have written - not my brief retorts to the sheep on this public "going-down-the-drain-fast" forum, and to people like yourself who do not even bother to read what is posted properly before drawing their guns.

I do not debate internet images, i will not converse with individuals who find insulting comments towards me funny and bump them up.

I have dropped a hint, to save someone money and to make a few think. If nobody wants to research this further, and if you are all happy pi**ing about debating google images and what you think you see, then without me. From your comments on the other thread, it is crystal clear that you have ZERO idea about small org. badges, and therefore what you think you see is irrelevant to me or to any discussion you wish to have, simply because you lack the very basics.

Fret not, i am not here to change your minds, i am here to point seriously interested collectors in the right direction. If you refuse the bone, that is fine, someone else will be along to pick it up and take it from there. If your interest in an item is superficial, fine too, nobody ever said we need to know everything about everything in order to collect anything.

I must be honest with you, though, you lost with me, from the moment you giggled about the German slader. You could have called me every name under the sun and i would have found it funny. The post you bumped, however, i certainly do not find funny, and am not prepared to let slide.

[Willi Z.]

Ah yes, the whole I am the "true victim" deflection method. You are great and the rest of us are novices.

Your comments are filled with personal insults. But, all justified in your mind because you are "the great one" and that those insults are warranted because someone said in German that your words are silly and you don't know what you are talking about, and I agreed.

Is the pin and packet offered on the E-Stand the same as the Japanese fake you referenced? That simple question is the foundation of your entire presentation, minus all the smoke and self-love.

It won't take 300 words to answer that question.

[Willi Z.]

Just in case anyone wants to see what an ego free, insult free, and respectful discussion on this topic looks like (with a minor exception);

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=910672

[Leroy]

Willi Z:

[Willi Z.]

I dont collect these
I see and comprehend Jo's research and therfore what Jo says is true
and factual. because he does honest research,,not say something is period because some guy brought a bunch to a show back in the day

I'm not looking for a fight nor am I trying to be a smart*ss
just saying I believe in hard won hands down research. I suggest you study Jo's methods and see for yourself if you really desire to learn something

Just my humble 2 cents, I wont comment again

I am curious where you now stand on this matter, since you quickly jumped in the water.

And yes, the "rolling eyes" in your comment in post #11i is about being a smart*ss.

I studied his methods, I suggest you do the same.

Here is one method I studied;

http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/non-co...-badge-370910/

All of the pins presented from dealers' websites (and yes many dealers do sell fake items) as fake are different than the Japanese fake and the one on eBay (which is clearly a Japanese fake).

What do you think of the method we are using in the FJ section regarding these pins?

I eagerly await your response.

[Willi Z.]

This thread was just moved here from the Tinnies section, and to my surprise. As a disclaimer, we here would not have allowed this thread to go this far with so many insults, unsubstantiated allegations, and so much pure unfiltered BS.

[djpool]

This thread was just moved here from the Tinnies section, and to my surprise. As a disclaimer, we here would not have allowed this thread to go this far with so many insults, unsubstantiated allegations, and so much pure unfiltered BS.

👌 The majority of us are serious collectors, history buffs etc. with various interests and levels of experience but all eager to learn. While personal insults seem to generate interest they don't actually add to the discussion in any constructive manner. Let the evidence and facts help form the readers opinions and drive the discussion. It's okay to disagree without insults. A lot of discussions produce divided
opinions, that's okay. Jim