Crete Commemrative Medallion?

[Gerd W.]

here some EXAMPLE pictures how Meissen medals (same was for the Crete ones) came out of the Meissen factory.

1. How to carry them in public (for the proud German or so )

2. possible package

[AFF96]

Thanks for bringing the medallion up! I picked this one up from Bill Shea awhile ago.
Thoughts? Looks cast to me???
Appreciate it!
Greg
Kreta Medal 003.jpg

Kreta Medal 006.jpg

[Gran Sasso]

Very bad fake

[AFF96]

Thanks!!
Greg

[John T]

John, there´s an old thread about this subject. I made some research about Meissen (medals and plates) but deleted the pictures years ago...

However, I think I should find them somewhere

As a short note, a production rate of only 200 is far too low. These coins were no official or commemorative items and have been produced in Third Reich Germany for collectors and enthusiast in serious numbers (like other coins).

The metal Crete medal is something different, but at least no commemorative item either. A series has been produced in order and FOR a big German industrial manager and art-collector short after the Crete victory. Minted and created in Munich by the famous artist Karl Goetz. These medals were part of his so called aviation series and as said, not even commercial items.

there are only 1-3 series out there (each series only 1x30mm, 1x60mm made from silver and 1x90mm bronce). I know of 3 originals in collectors hands! A research showed me a 4th, which was for sale in U.K. 3 years ago.

Here an original 60mm (yes, there are fakes out there.........but they ALL have some 100% give-aways)

HI Gerd..

Thank you for your information about the Meissen pieces.

The metal example is also most interesting...I have never had one of those examples...the background information is most informative.

John

[Heeresspringer]

Now i can give you the total numbers of the meissen medal published by meissen itself ...

normal medal : brown 3000 pieces / white porcellan 2000 pieces
with golden border : brown 200 / white 200
with golden border and golden avers : 200 / 200
green boarder and black hakenkreuz and Liktorenbündel: 200 / 200
red boarder and black Hakenkreuz and Liktorenbündel : under 200 / under 200

[Gran Sasso]

Now i can give you the total numbers of the meissen medal published by meissen itself ...

normal medal : brown 3000 pieces / white porcellan 2000 pieces
with golden border : brown 200 / white 200
with golden border and golden avers : 200 / 200
green boarder and black hakenkreuz and Liktorenbündel: 200 / 200
red boarder and black Hakenkreuz and Liktorenbündel : under 200 / under 200

Same info, posting for "peterm"; also his medal:

[Heeresspringer]

This belongs to the metal medal ...

I know of 3 originals in collectors hands! A research showed me a 4th, which was for sale in U.K. 3 years ago.


There are a lot more out there ... with yours i know of 7 ... 2 others are on sale in the internet ... you can google ... but the price is unrealistic ...

I remember a half year ago there was one sold on 321mili for 120 Euros ...

[Gerd W.]

There are a lot more out there ... with yours i know of 7 ... 2 others are on sale in the internet ... you can google ... but the price is unrealistic ...

I remember a half year ago there was one sold on 321mili for 120 Euros ...

Goetz minted these medals for only one persons collection! It was not a commercial item and never for sale in wartime.

Mr. Henry Scott Goodman was kind enough to give me all his information about Goetz and his work on the aviation series. Goodman is the biggest Karl Goetz collector on this planet and holder of the Kienast files which include the complete art work of Goetz. http://www.karlgoetz.com/

I believe 3 sets ever been made. There´s one other huge medal which maybe has a chance (that´s why I wrote about 4!), which was for sale in the UK
A set contains 3 medals of different size. If you have 3 huge medals (97mm) there´s a chance that there are 3x 60mm and 3x30mm as well.

Said this, beside the huge medals I only saw 2x 60mm and 1x30mm which were original for sure.

There´s at least one 97mm for sale at present (Bronze, 1350 Euro), which is the very same sold in June 2010 (550 Euro) and May 2004. Another 97 mm been sold 3 times in 2 years (Baldwin 60/2009 GBP680).

The last original 60mm which was for sale is now in Italy, one 30mm in the United States as another 60mm is.

Let Mr. Goetz speak (about his work short after the war)
<SUP>"Action in Crete" "Ernst Udet" "Werner Molders", "Old Eagles Flying Association", "Emperor's Maneuvres" and "Otto Lilienthal" , are all of the aviation class. They were created because of suggestions received from Engineer Gutt of Hameln, with the aim to round-out his own collection. No need to mention that I was inspired by purely idealistic ideas. They did not get me riches materially. I did not receive payment; I did not expect any. The joy in creating was dominant, as it had been the case from the beginning. </SUP>
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<SUP>Here the huge size bronce one which is for sale at present </SUP>

[peterm]

I was a little bit misunderstanding in my posting No. 9. With the numer 200 I meant ONLY my own medal (white, with red lining and black swastika and fasces, as You can see in posting Nr. 22, which Gran Sasso posted for me).

Sorry and kind regards,

Peter

[John T]

Thank you guys for this great information and numbers of amount produced.

I have seen different ones from Meissen (for example the one with panzer in Africa) with differing colors/highlights and I was curious as to why, but it seems from the production figures these were geared towards collectors with the basic brown being the most common...then with colors being scarcer variations.

Very interesting indeed.

John

[Willi Z.]

Here is mine. I realize the case is probably not the Meissen case, but it fits perfectly and the case has obviously had something in it since the war.

[besslein]

Here is mine. I realize the case is probably not the Meissen case, but it fits perfectly and the case has obviously had something in it since the war.

looks very nice Willi

[Shaun Winkler]

Thought I would bring this thread back to life. I was lucky enough to get the smallest one of the 3 medals in the Karl Goetz commemorative Kreta medal series. I won't post the makers mark for obvious reasons..

These medals were printed in Munich by the the following firm. Thank you Gerd for the information.

http://www.hma.bayern.de/index.php/en/history.html

[Gran Sasso]

I was lucky enough to get the smallest one of the 3 medals in the Karl Goetz commemorative Kreta medal series.

Welcome to the club!