Explain the different Führerscheins

[Angel Farré]

Can anyone told me which vehicles can be driven with each Führerschein?

Thanks a lot

Angel

[naxos]

Can anyone told me which vehicles can be driven with each Führerschein?

Thanks a lot

Angel

See image below for vehicles


For tracked vehicles (Kettenfahrzeuge - Panzer) the classes were:
Klasse 1 - up to 10 metric tonnes
Klasse 2(a) und 2(b) - up to 30 metric tonnes
Klasse 3 - up to 60 metric tonnes

More info see link: http://www.autoveteranen.de/auto/Vorschrift1945.html

[Angel Farré]

Is this also valid for Military ones?

For example with the 1, 2 and 3 class you can drive all motorcycles, cars and trucks in service with the Wehrmacht, no?

What about Panzer, Halftracks and Armoured vehicles? With which one you can drive them?

Thanks a lot Naxos

Angel

[Angel Farré]

You were editing the post and answering my questions while I was writting them.

Cheers

Angel

[naxos]

Is this also valid for Military ones?

For example with the 1, 2 and 3 class you can drive all motorcycles, cars and trucks in service with the Wehrmacht, no?

What about Panzer, Halftracks and Armoured vehicles? With which one you can drive them?

Thanks a lot Naxos

Angel

Yes, for wheeled vehicles (motorcycles, cars and trucks) the civilian classes are the same as Wehrmacht.

For Panzer see the tonnage classes above

[naxos]

You were editing the post and answering my questions while I was writting them.

Cheers

Angel

I'm slow, my friend

[Nightwish]

I am not shure, that it was allowed, to drive motorcycles with class 2, 3 and 4!

In my opinion only class 1 is for motorcycles.

Best regards

Nightwish

[naxos]

I am not shure, that it was allowed, to drive motorcycles with class 2, 3 and 4!

In my opinion only class 1 is for motorcycles.

Best regards

Nightwish

That is correct!- only motorcycles with 250cc or below could be driven with classes 2, 3 and 4

[Nightwish]

Thanks, now it is a bit more differentiated!

[Bobbe]

See image below for vehicles


For tracked vehicles (Kettenfahrzeuge - Panzer) the classes were:
Klasse 1 - up to 10 metric tonnes
Klasse 2(a) und 2(b) - up to 30 metric tonnes
Klasse 3 - up to 60 metric tonnes

More info see link: http://www.autoveteranen.de/auto/Vorschrift1945.html

And the difference between Klasse 2(a) and 2(b) ? Both up 30 metric tonnes?

Thanks.

Best regards,
Roberto

[Ian Jewison]

Probably already covered....this I put together some years ago from Merkblätter that I had:

Verbrennungsmaschine:

1 - Motorcycle (Kraftrad) over 250cc
2 - Truck (Lkw - Lastkraftwagen) over 3½ ton
3 - Car (Pkw - Personenkraftwagen) upto 3½ ton
4 - Moped (Leichtkraftrad) limited speed under 20 km/h

Kettenkrafttrad:

Advanced license, holder should already be in possession of either class 2 or 3 license.

Verbrennungsmaschine Klasse 2 für vollkettenkraftfahrzeug (Panzer, Selbstfahrlafetten und Sturmgeschütze)

A - Fully tracked under 16 ton
B - Fully tracked from 16 to 30 ton
C - Fully tracked over 30 ton

Gleisk.Pz.Kw. (Gleisketten Panzerkampfwagen) – Tracked Armoured Fighting Vehicles.
gep.Vollk.-Fahrz. (gepanzert Vollkette Fahrzeug) – armoured fully tracked vehicle.
gl.Kfz (geländegängige kraftfahrzeug) – all terrain motor vehicle.
Hlbk (Halbkette) – halftrack

/Ian

[Bobbe]

Probably already covered....this I put together some years ago from Merkblätter that I had:


Verbrennungsmaschine:

1 - Motorcycle (Kraftrad) over 250cc
2 - Truck (Lkw - Lastkraftwagen) over 3½ ton
3 - Car (Pkw - Personenkraftwagen) upto 3½ ton
4 - Moped (Leichtkraftrad) limited speed under 20 km/h


Verbrennungsmaschine Klasse 2 für vollkettenkraftfahrzeug (Panzer und Sturmgeschütze)

A - Fully tracked under 16 ton
B - Fully tracked from 16 to 30 ton
C - Fully tracked over 30 ton

Gleisk.Pz.Kw. (Gleisketten Panzerkampfwagen) – Tracked Armoured Fighting Vehicles.
gep.Vollk.-Fahrz. (gepanzert Vollkette Fahrzeug) – armoured fully tracked vehicle.
gl.Kfz (geländegängige kraftfahrzeug) – all terrain motor vehicle.
Hlbk (Halbkette) – halftrack


/Ian

Thanks Ian...very detailed and useful explanation. Now I have managed to better understand an SS driver's license that I have in the collection

Best regards,
Roberto

[Archi]

Hello !

I have found some additional infos in the AHM, which essentially confirms, what has been written by naxos and Ian.
But it also gives some info, from when on changes occured (all related to the classes for Vollkettenfahreuge).

The basics must have been written in H.Dv. 472, Ziff. 53 and 56 and Anhang 1.

In February 1942, the former System (I assume that was, what naxos showed in his first post ?!) was replaced
by one class (# 2) for all types of armored Vollkettenfahrzeuge (Pz., StuG and Sfl.).

For drivers that were supposed to use only tracked vehicles of lower weight (< 10 t, like Munitions-Schlepper),
the addition "bis 10t" should be added.

Then in February 1943, another change was made (2nd scan) and the system with 2A, 2B and 2C that Ian mentioned, was introduced.
On the already existing licenses, the subclasses A, resp. B should be added.

Finally, for drivers of specialised vehicles (like Pz.Spähwg.), their respective training should be mentioned on p. 4 (3rd scan, mid 1943).

It would perhaps be interesting to see such an example.

One last question : the driving test itself should be done by a W.K.S.
What does the abbreviation stand for ? (My guess would be : Wehrmachts-Krafttfahr-Sachverständiger ?!)

Best regards,

Archi

[JUNGCO]

One thing to add. Just because you had class 2, didn't mean you could drive 1 or 3.
Jeff

[Ian Jewison]

One last question : the driving test itself should be done by a W.K.S.
What does the abbreviation stand for ? (My guess would be : Wehrmachts-Krafttfahr-Sachverständiger ?!)

Yes


/Ian