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    #1

    EKM puzzle : ideas to solve it ?

    Hello !

    Here is an unusual EKM, which causes me some problems :
    a) I am unsure, what unit it refers to
    b) I also do not know, what is the connection between the unit on the EKM and I./AR 231.

    What I know so far :
    - The EKM must have been issued at the time of mobilization. (I have the SB with a matching entry.)
    - However, the only field unit mentioned in the SB is: 1. Bttr. Art.Rgt. 231
    - The unit on the EKM must be artillery related, as the soldier had some pre war trainings, always with arty units
    (and always within WK XIII)
    - But : Every regular Artillery unit with designation 37 is related to WK I !

    Any ideas, comments or other input would be appreciated !

    Best regards,

    Archi
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    #2
    You have a rare bird, the Soldbuch was opened with the stamp for the Stab I Art.Rgt. 231.

    Let see what can we find.

    Angel
    Looking for DKiG Heer winner Soldbuch who also won the TDB and/or CCC, specially in Silver.

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      #3
      Lw = Landwehr as the unit was formed from Landwehr-Kommandeur Nürnberg?

      All of this puzzle me.

      Angel
      Looking for DKiG Heer winner Soldbuch who also won the TDB and/or CCC, specially in Silver.

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        #4
        A short living unit, 231 I.D. disbanded and used to form units in 11 and 20 Panzer Division in July 31st, 1.940.

        The Artillery Regiment went to 11 panzer Division.

        Nice mystery you proposed.

        Angel
        Looking for DKiG Heer winner Soldbuch who also won the TDB and/or CCC, specially in Silver.

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          #5
          Hello !

          I am trying to reorganize the chaos in my office and also try to clarify some old topics :

          Many thanks to Angel here, for pointing exactly in the right direction !

          I think I found now a possible explanation for the abbreviation on this EKM :
          Until 1938, in the case of mobilization, the formation of 21 Landwehr-Divisionen was planned.
          They would have been raised mostly from older men, that had already served in WW 1 :
          http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...Gliederung.htm

          For Wehrkreis XIII, this unit would have been the 37. Landwehrdivision.
          All these Lw.-Div. would have older equipment and fewer weapons, than the regular Inf.Divisions.
          (for example only one Artillerie Abteilung for the division (instead of a regiment) ).
          (see scan from Mueller-Hillebrand).

          So the abbreviation on the EKM stands for : Landwehr-Artillerie-Abteilung 37
          (and as there was no Lw.Art.Rgt. 37, no need for an abbreviation as Lw.-Art.Abt. 37, which I expected).
          You can compare this with the only Landwehr-Division that was actually raised :
          http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...tRgt/LAA14.htm

          What also confused me : by 1939, all this had changed and the Lw.Divisions were replaced by the 3.Welle Div.
          So the former 37. Lw.-Division, was now mobilized as 231. Inf.Div. It received more equipment and also a full Art.Rgt.
          In this case Art.Rgt. 231, with 3 le. and 1 schw.Abt.

          My only explanation for the unit entry on the EKM is, that an old listing for the mob case was used,
          that had been previously prepared for the mobilization of the Landwehr divisions.

          It would be interesting, if there are other examples of such Lw.-EKM (Landwehr EKM) ?!

          Best regards,

          Archi
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            #6
            nice one! Landwehr for sure!

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              #7
              Hello Yubari !

              Thanks for your nice comment !

              Best regards,

              Archi

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                #8
                Hello !

                Here are the further scans from this SB.

                I found this SB group interesting, because of :
                1.) The EKM (which has now been clarified)
                2.) The u.k. sheet
                3.) The connection to a 3rd wave division
                (and I have a WP from a Hptm. of the same regiment).

                So I'll post here only the SB pages etc. and concentrate only on some points I found interesting :
                (the unit itself is also not so uninteresting, but I have not enough time at the moment).

                a) mobilzation procedure (relative slow) :
                Service started on 26.8.39 (p. 18), (1st immunization on 29.8.), but SB was issued as late as 2. Sept. 39.

                b) issued a Landwehr-EKM, but the unit entry from the beginning is immediately : 1. Bttr./Art.Rgt. 231

                c) There is not even a page to enter any weapons in this SB ! (a very early variant ?)

                d) equipment entries on p. 6/7 dated as late as 20.8.40, when he was about to be dismissed !

                e) His Wehrnummer : also non standard : only 3 fields (instead of 4) !

                It would be interesting for me, if some members have similar examples, from soldiers drafted at mobilization to
                a 3rd wave division ?!

                Among the additional docs, there is
                - a Truppenausweis (shown in the other thread),
                - a Bekleidungnachweis, dated 5.5.40, which mentions him as Hpt.Wachtmeister, (so I assume he was the Spiess of the battery ?!)
                - a u.k. Karte, which gives also some interesting informations.

                Best regards,

                Archi
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                  #9
                  Next pages ...
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                    #10
                    final pages of the SB and the additional docs, including the u.k.-Karte.

                    On the u.k. Karte in Field 15, I am not sure what is written :
                    It could be : u.k. b.a.w. (bis auf weiteres) f. Pfannenstiel Regensburg

                    It would be nice if someone could confirm this, and also if someone ever heard of a company "Pfannenstiel" in Regensburg ?!
                    (I tried, but couldn't find anything ...)

                    Thanks and best regards,

                    Archi
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                      #11
                      Freiwilliger-Rekrut Landwehr I.R.161
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                        #12
                        Hello Lionel !

                        Very nice example !
                        Thanks for sharing another Lw. EKM !

                        Could you have a look, when the SB was issued ?
                        Prior to 26.8.39 or in early 1940 ?

                        I am trying to collect some additional infos on this topic, just need some more time.
                        (I even think I have another example of a similar early SB, just need to find it.)

                        Thanks again and best regards,

                        Archi

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                          #13
                          SB opened 15.02.1940 !

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                            #14
                            Hello Lionel !

                            Thanks for the info !

                            So they used this designation "Landwehr" still in early 1940, when the other (only) Landwehr-Div.
                            had already been converted into a normal 3rd wave division (205. ID). Very interesting !

                            Could it be, that the designation is for Feldrekruten-Bataillon ? (Which would later become the Feldersatz-Btl. ?)
                            And wasn't this a designation already in use during WW I ?

                            I am just asking, because I am always amazed, how much terms and topics the German army carried on
                            from WW I to WW II and whether this is another example .

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                            There seems to be something strange going with these divisions of the 3rd wave (3. Welle) :
                            I found now the WP of Hptm. der Landwehr Diecke.
                            As you can see, he was drafted on 26.8.39 to the same Art.Rgt. 231 (but the II. Abt.)
                            and even promoted while with this unit !
                            However, he doesn't have received a EKM at all, only later on when he was transferred back
                            to the respective Ersatz-Abt. !?

                            It would be really interesting, if there are other examples of EKMs of these 3. Welle divisions .

                            Thanks for any contribution and best regards,

                            Archi
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                              #15
                              Nice ensemble Archi, always good to pair an ekm with a Soldbuch.

                              Best,
                              Simon

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