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    s.pz.abt 509 wehrpass

    got a quick look at a 1944 zweitschrift of a 20-year old gunner / loader (pic in his rad tunic) and am very curious --

    1) no '11 days' battle' insert or apparently other locations of ops. mentioned
    2) transferred to heavy pz. from 2 previous units maybe 202 and 208 ?
    3) among other weapons he qualified on was '8,8' which makes sense for a gunner
    4) seller noted from his research the cdr. of one of the soldier's units got the DKiG
    5) the 'pass holder got the usual EK2 and pz. assault badge, BUT!
    6) most important: tho reading Handschrift is a major chore, I'm almost sure paging thru I saw 'Ritter....' not mentioned by the seller, and not next to an admin. officer's Stempel (the 'pass has several) so unlikely t/b nobility -- such as Ritter von greim
    7) I stupidly didnt get the holder's name since time was a factor and I was troubled by the lack of battle info. and worried about fake PZ. docs. BUT in looking up the 509th I saw a man named litzke was a RK awardee in that unit so now I'm getting excited, esp. since the surname I briefly saw could very well be that.

    very sorry no pix since I'm nervous about buying it, but any thoughts and infos most welcome! thanks

    #2
    Oberfeldwebel Erich Litzke would have been 30 years old in 1944

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      #3
      verdammt! thanks for that, naxos. anone else on known fakings etc? guy wants $200
      do you think that's fair?

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        #4
        verdammt! thanks for that, naxos. anone else on known fakings etc? guy wants $200
        do you think that's fair?

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          #5
          if a REAL tiger WP, it's fair. a lot.
          they usually takes 500-600 or higher if entries are valuable.

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            #6
            thank you! - I mean what's fair value WITHOUT the 11 (or more) battle days?

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              #7
              ok, I made some pix, but stupidly missed the page with the unit changes from previoous to latest. VERY SORRY! anyhow please look and give your thoughts. thanks again for the help.
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                #8
                more
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                  #9
                  sorry also about the unrelated schiffchen!

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                    #10
                    Here are the other photos you are looking for from the ad online.
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                      #11
                      !!! I was unaware of this; please tell us where you saw this (expired?) ad and when it came out, thanks!

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                        #12
                        Just sent you a PM

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                          #13
                          great thanks a lot

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