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    Soldbuch Obergefreiter German Cross in Gold !

    Hi Guys. I think I didn't show it before... I want to share this SB which is important among my German Cross in Gold documents collection, because it is actually the only "Private" (not sure about the proper translation for "Mannschaften" in english..... it means : Schütze, Gefreiter, Obergefreiter or Stabsgefreiter) holder of the German Cross in Gold from HEER I own in my collection. Horst Scheibert stated in his Book that, on 18.April.1944, only 114 Mannschaften were decorated with this pure combat award, for a total of 8847 crosses attibuted. That means.....approximately 1,30% of the german Cross Holders !! Sure this percentage was slightly higher at the very end of the war, but probably not much more than 2%.... It was probabaly completely different by the Air Force, the attribution was related to the number of missions over the enemy lines (Feindflüge), and many Gefr. or Ogefr. were members of Bombers Crews.... ) So, just my two Cents, the rarity can not be compared.
    The SB was opened 41 and worn until may 45, a salty shape, a little shrapnel damage throughout. Note Otto Daab served a good part of the war in the same company (3./Sturm-Rgt.218 - 78 Sturm-Division). I heard from different sources that only Soldiers who served for a long time in the same small Unit (company) had a real chance to get the german Cross. THe "five points" proposal to send to the OKW was "easier" to complete if you was an old well-know veteran from many battles.... Anyway, even if the 78.Sturm-Division had quite a bunch of german cross Holders, Daab was the only one who won it as a trooper (Obergefreiter, 20.09.43, 3./Sturm-Rgt.215). Funny is that I once met him at his Home back in 1998 and saw his SB.... that he proudly kept ! It appeared again on the market many years later, after Daab passed away, and was able to purchase it... I also own an original Pic, taken later as an NCO, and a repro photo taken after the award ceremony together with the oakleave Winner and divisional Commander Gen.Leutnant Hans TRAUT.
    Note the blue Ink Entry on the top of the Page 1 "Dépôt 201, 573031". It is his P.O.W. Number, the "dépôt" (officially called : Dépôt de prisonniers de guerre de l'Axe) Nr.201 was located in Pouxeux (Vosges, France). It was a terrible camp called "Todeslager" by the german, the condition of life there were terrible, more than 1500 german prisoners died there.... another subject !
    I hope you like it, feel free to comment.... and well, if you also own lower scale Soldiers wearing the german cross, I would be very pleased to see them !!
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        #4
        What an amazing SB, Lionel. To think he saw all that action, win the EK1 18 months(!) before his DKiG, and not be promoted above Obergefreiter, is just extraordinary.
        Last edited by Brian R; 08-29-2018, 09:04 AM.

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          #5
          An extraordinarily rare document and true testimony of a brave man.

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            #6
            Amazing Soldbuch, especially since you met him personally.

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              #7
              Hello Lionel
              Thanks for sharing this very nice and rare SB. I want to get it, please send it to me

              Cheers Dominic

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                #8
                You know my opinion about this piece, hope you can find the citations also.

                Keep going my friend.

                Angel
                Looking for DKiG Heer winner Soldbuch who also won the TDB and/or CCC, specially in Silver.

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                  #9
                  Lionel,

                  Very nice. Everybody else said it all.
                  Jeff

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                    #10
                    Wouh ! Great Sb. for sure. Thanks for sharing.

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                      #11
                      Great soldbuch with a very nice photo studio!

                      Ciao Oriano

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                        #12
                        do you unite the Soldbuch and documents?

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                          #13
                          That is a fantastic SB and fantastic story! Incredible that you were able to meet him and even more so that you were able to find and obtain his SB after he passed. I agree that such a low-ranking Soldat with the DKiG is very rare.

                          As far as the translation of Mannschaften, I can only authoritatively help as it translates to the U.S. Army. Different English-speaking armies may have their own ideas.

                          Mannschaften in the German Heer is what we in the U.S. Army would call "Lower Enlisted", that is prior to attaining the first real NCO rank which is Sergeant (E5). NCO's are also enlisted because they do sign up for enlistments of varying duration unlike officers whose terms of service are different. However Mannschaften refers to those below both the specific rank of Unteroffizier and the category of Unteroffiziere which encompasses all NCO's outside of those which were officer candidates and had their own rank designations.

                          If Daab was awarded the DKiG as an Obergefreiter then he was an E4 or Specialist in the U.S. Army, one rank below Sergeant E5 and the start of the NCO Corps and therefore, as you correctly pointed out, still a member of the Mannschaften. Not to further complicate things, but an E4 can sometimes be called a Corporal if they are in charge of a sub-unit such as being a squad or section leader. Corporal also is in use in more English-speaking armies than just the U.S., so more often you will see an Obergefreiter called a Corporal. A corporal to us is a "junior NCO" because they get two stripes (imagine the Obergefriter Winkel upside down basically) and are in charge of a few soldiers, but they haven't attended NCO school yet and become a real NCO with rank of Sergeant.

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                            #14
                            He had a very rare profession: "Baumwart" - tree warden.

                            Gerdan

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                              #15
                              Really, really nice Soldbuch! The photo with him wearing the helmet is super cool. Congrats!
                              Last edited by Edward; 08-29-2018, 04:00 PM.

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