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    Luftwaffe Soldbuch /Flg. Ers.Batl. XII - Italiener

    Dear Friends,

    Just got this nice « Italiener » Luftwaffe Soldbuch; please note the Soldbuch is numbered 865 and its dog tag 835 .

    Photo is stamped :

    Dienstelle Feldpostnummer 02479
    Luftgaupostamt Paris


    02479
    (Mobilmachung-1.1.1940) 7. Kompanie SS-TK-Infanterie-Regiment 2,
    (2.1.1940-27.4.1940) gestrichen, wurde Fp.Nr. 34142 D,
    (28.4.1940-14.9.1940) Werftkompanie der Luftwaffe z.b.V. 2/VII,
    (24.3.1944-6.11.1944) 19.8.1944 Werft-Abteilung der Luftwaffe 106/XII.

    I have just scanned a few pages.

    Is there anybody to identified the name of this soldier ? Is this unit stationned in France during the war ?

    Thanks for your comments.

    Kind regards.

    C.
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        Luftwaffe Soldbuch /Flg. Ers.Batl. XII - Italiener

        Thanks for your visits and comments.

        C.
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          #5
          Very interesting and nice soldbuch.... the Germans in Italy above all in the Falk and the airport personnel, workers attracted enlisted thousands of Italians ...
          Last edited by mufasa; 06-25-2017, 11:48 AM.

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            #6
            His name I read Ottello Manelli.

            Gerdan

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              #7
              Very interesting document ; firtst time l see such italian Lw member. Also, the error of numbering on dogtag is interesting.

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                #8
                Not Ottello Manelli, but Otello Mannelli, from Florence (my city).
                Most of the italians that were drafted in the Lw in 1944-45 passed through the Flg. Ers. Batl. XII. Sometimes the dogtags had the abbreviation "Ital" on it, but not always. Here's another dogtag from the same unit
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                  Ironcrown

                  if you read his name on the front page and also on page 5 it is "Manelli" with only one " n ".

                  Gerdan

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                    #10
                    I forgot: and his first name is also written "Ottello" with two " tt ", not Otello., sorry.

                    Gerdan

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                      #11
                      It's a mistake, believe me, the correct surname is "Mannelli". Look at the signature, that is correct!

                      I live in Florence and Mannelli is an old florentine family name:
                      https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannelli

                      Manelli exist as a family name, but it's less common and is not florentine.

                      Manelli:
                      http://www.cognomix.it/mappe-dei-cog...aliani/MANELLI

                      Mannelli:
                      http://www.cognomix.it/mappe-dei-cog...liani/MANNELLI

                      Also, Ottello doesn't exist as first name !

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                        Luftwaffe Soldbuch /Flg. Ers.Batl. XII - Italiener

                        Dear Friends,

                        Thanks a lot for your nice comments and knowledges... Always very interesting.

                        I have found this thread :

                        http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...aliener&page=2

                        Is there anybody to explain me the connection with Luftgaupostamt Paris ?

                        Thanks a lot for your time.

                        C.

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                          [QUOTE=caracciola;784761

                          Is there anybody to explain me the connection with Luftgaupostamt Paris ?

                          Thanks a lot for your time.

                          C.[/QUOTE]

                          It means that his unit was in France (excepted northern France) under control of Lg PA Paris.

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                            Hello,

                            Yes, you are right but it seems there is no connection between this unit and France :

                            http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...erErsBtl12.htm

                            Have a good day.

                            C.

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                              #15
                              Hello all !

                              Interesting Soldbuch, pointing to an interesting part of history that was
                              totally unknown for me. Thanks for showing and also for the additional
                              information from the other members.

                              Regarding the connection to Luftgaupostamt Paris :
                              I think the explanation by Luft76 is correct.
                              To find more detailed informations on this type of unit will be very difficult.
                              Tessin and the site below don't even have that unit listed :
                              http://www.ww2.dk/ground/versorgung/werftabt.htm
                              Perhaps there are some other entries in this SB, that could give some further clues ?!

                              That the link to Flieger-Ersatz-Btl. XII doesn't have a connection to France is most
                              likely not relevant. If I understood the posting from Ironcrown correctly, a large
                              number of Italians were first recruited by Flieger-Ersatz-Bataillon XII, before
                              they were later distributed to other units. If you look on SB p. 2, after the stamp
                              Flg.Ers.Batl. XII, there is a handwritten entry : Aufn.Kdo. I
                              I think this could be a short-cut for: Aufnahme-Kommando I [recruiting HQ I].

                              Anyway, in this case the SB was issued by this unit on 9.5.44, but according
                              to p. 4, already 2 weeks later, he was posted to Werftabteilung 106/XII, and it is likely,
                              that the SB photo was entered and stamped by this latter unit (with its current Feldpostnummer
                              and the additional mentioning of LGPA Paris means, that it was likely somewhere in France then).

                              I would be interested in (and thankful for) any info on the following questions :
                              - Is there any info whether Flg.Ers.Batl. XII had a local detached HQ in Italy, or did they sent all recruits to Germany?
                              - Is there any info, how many Italians joined the Luftwaffe in a similar way (or the Germany Army in total) ?
                              - What happened to these soldiers, when they became POWs before or after after 8th, May, 1945 ?
                              Where they sent home or treated just similar to German soldiers ?!

                              Thanks in advance for any hint on these questions,

                              best regards,

                              Archi

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