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    #16
    Archi you are godsend, not only helping fill the gaps with the z.B.V. 928 but demolishing the wall I thought would never break on this one.

    I was all but about to give up on this one too, I look forward to putting together a proper timeline and posting for this soldier and getting further feedback from you in the near future



    QUOTE=Archi;7756243]Hi all !

    Very interesting Soldbuch and unit. Thanks for showing !

    Most likely sequence of units (in my oppinion):

    After his training, sent to field with Marsch-Kp. Pz.Jg.Ausb.Abt. 4.
    (Very likely to France, for the reformation of the 384. Inf.Div.)
    He first served there in the 4.Schw./AA 384 which was the heavy Schwadron.
    (Equipped with 4 le. Inf.Gesch., 3 s.Pak).

    AA. 384 remained in France with some other 384.ID units, when the rest of the division was sent to Russia.
    The units that remained behind, formed the core of the 349. ID from 25.11.43 onward, with AA 384 beeing
    redesignated to Div.Füs.Btl. 349.
    http://lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Glie...onen/349ID.htm

    349. ID was sent to the East in April 1944 and was destroyed there.
    At what time he returned to his replacement unit is not clear to me, from the entries you showed.
    Also the connection to Pz.Jg.Ausb.Abt. 1 is unclear (why is this listed as field unit ?!).

    For the next steps, I can at least provide a theory :
    The link in Lexikon-der Wehrmacht that Ian found, is most likely based on this discussion here :
    http://www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de/in...2251#post22251

    From that, it seems, that there were in total 3 Pz.Jg. companies with designation "1276":
    The first one (1276) was first intended for 276. VGD (and should be equipped with Jagdpz.38 (!)),
    but its formation order was cancelled on 24.11.44.
    (Instead two companies with designation 1276a (equipped with 10 JagdPz. IV) and 1276b (10 StuG III) were raised.)
    It seems clear, that 1276a was incorporated into 276. VGD, while 1276b ended up with 180. ID.

    My suggestion, from the above facts (and from what follows) is:
    that your soldier was one of the men of the first Pzjg. 1276 Kp. (trained on Jagdpz. 38).

    As Ian already pointed out, it seems he always stayed in the same unit (only with different designations).
    Therefore, he was likely in one of the 3 cos. of Pz.Jg.Kp. Bock, Lang or Pankow (all 3 cos. equipped with
    Pzjg. 38), which were sent to the West, end of Nov. 44 (please scroll to the end of the link, Nov. 44 distributions):
    http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Pz38.htm

    Under HGr. G, all 3 of these companies acted as independent unit (Heerestruppe) under changing commands
    (most times in the area of 1. Armee). End of January 45, HQ of PzJg.Abt. 708 and the 3 Pzjg. companies Bock,
    Lang and Pankow were formed into Pz.Jg.Abt. "G". In Feb. 1945, it was decided that this unit should
    stay together and should not be split and incorporated into different field-divisions (see attachment).

    According to several overviews on the Panzerlage West, Pz.Jg.Abt. z.b.V. "G" is clearly different from
    PzJg. Kp. Gekeler, as "PzJg. Kp. Gekeler" is always listed as a separate unit.

    Cheers,

    Archi[/QUOTE]

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      #17
      Hello Beattie-B !

      Thanks for the kind words. I am always happy to help, especially with such interesting/uncommon units.

      There was one more thing I noticed, that could perhaps be interesting :
      I am really bad in reading/decipherring signatures.

      But the Kp. Chef (?!) who signed the promotion #3 : could that name be possible Pankow ?!
      That could help to identify, in which of the 3 cos. Bock, Lang, Pankow he was.

      (I would also be curious on the designation of the unit on 1.9.44:
      Could it be Pers.Einh. Stu. 5. Pz.Jg.Ausb.Abt. 4 ?!)
      Would be nice if someone could help here.

      Best regards,

      Archi

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        #18
        Hello Archi,

        It's certainly a blessing non the less! I've added some photos of the pieces you pointed out in question It does appear to be Pankow but just like you I'm not the best at deciphering signatures but it does appear again later on in the soldbuch again slightly different and does appear to end in *kow*.

        As for the designation I do believe it reads as Pers. ( Einh. or Gesch. ) Stu. 5. Pz.Jg.Ausb.Abt. 4

        Warmest Regards,
        Brett




        Originally posted by Archi View Post
        Hello Beattie-B !

        Thanks for the kind words. I am always happy to help, especially with such interesting/uncommon units.

        There was one more thing I noticed, that could perhaps be interesting :
        I am really bad in reading/decipherring signatures.

        But the Kp. Chef (?!) who signed the promotion #3 : could that name be possible Pankow ?!
        That could help to identify, in which of the 3 cos. Bock, Lang, Pankow he was.

        (I would also be curious on the designation of the unit on 1.9.44:
        Could it be Pers.Einh. Stu. 5. Pz.Jg.Ausb.Abt. 4 ?!)
        Would be nice if someone could help here.

        Best regards,

        Archi
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