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Hank
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Since the portrait was taken after the war, I'm sure he didn't have to worry too much about whether or not the foreign decorations were allowed or not.
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HankUnless it was nighttime, or the weather was bad, and you were running out of gas - then it was a sweaty nightmare, like a monkey f*ing a skunk.
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Actually, I've noticed if you look very closely at those 3 awards, you can see the stamp appears to be reversed (the "d" and "e" appear to be backwards)! So he may have done it himself - and who knows, maybe he was put in for/awarded the decs, but the war ended before they could be officially entered.Originally posted by naxos View PostA very desirable group of docs!
Those darn very late war award entries. The photograph gives them some credibility.
Hank is that a Karabiner 43 he received in late April 45?
Thanks for showing!
And yes, it appears to be "Karab. 43" entered.
I actually acquired all of this years ago off two unrelated eBay sellers/auctions. I always hope that somehow I'll find more.
I'll try to add a few more photos of other documents. It's really a great grouping.
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HankUnless it was nighttime, or the weather was bad, and you were running out of gas - then it was a sweaty nightmare, like a monkey f*ing a skunk.
~ Dan Hampton, Viper PilotComment
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you are right!Originally posted by Hank C. View PostSince the portrait was taken after the war, I'm sure he didn't have to worry too much about whether or not the foreign decorations were allowed or not.
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Hank
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Hi all !
I found several aspects of this grouping interesting :
1) His Polizei-Führerschein (#12, 13) shows his rank as "Unter-Feldjäger".
Today, Feldjäger would imply he was member of the Military police. Does anybody know how it was in 1935 ?
2) He was drafted with the start of WWII to 225. Inf.Div, where he was at least until some time
in 1941 (Promotion entries p. 3).
Due to the "Zweitschrift", a lot of info is missing, but according to his Ehrendienst-Album,
he also was with 17. Inf Div. (correct ?!), 114. Jäger-Div. (confirmed by his award entries) and
a certain Panzer-Abt. which I cannot read either. (It would be a great help, if anybody could decipher this
!)
What I am wondering : He should have been issued his first EKM with 225. Inf.Div. He probably
lost it and he received another one from 76. Inf.Rgt. (p. 1, Inf.Rgt 76 #5905), which would imply to me
that he was also a certain time with 20. ID(mot), not mentioned by him. Or is this a wrong assumption ?!
3) After some time with 114. Jg.Div. in 1943 (where he possibly became Hauptfeldwebel (Spiess)), he must have
been transferred to the West (France), where he received his Wehrmacht-Führerschein in June, 1944. All his
award entries are dated 6.5.44. Would that be a possible date of leave from 114. Jg.Div., or could it be
that he was transferred earlier, and that all the awards were certified later, when time allows ?!
I'm asking, because he doesn't mention any time in Italy at all. Any opinions ?
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/.../114JagDiv.htm
4) His Wehrmachtführerschein lists his current unit as FPN 39721, which would refer to : Wirtschafts-Kompanie 9.
(He doesn't list this unit in his Ehrenbuch.)
What exactly happened after June, 1944 is unclear.
I think, that he was at some time seriously wounded, spent some time in hospital and then was released to his
replacement unit, Gren.Ers.Btl. 376, located at Bremen :
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...rsBat376-R.htm
On the 20.2.1945 he received a medical examination which resulted in him being in Versehrtenstufe II.
(Entry p. 15, bottom).
This is confirmed by the p. 14 entry :
"Gemäß Werm(acht).Ärztl.(icher) Untersuchung der Heeres-Entlassungsstelle 3/X Bremen v. 20.2.45 Angehöriger
der Versehrtenstufe II (zwei)." Anklam, d. 12.4.45, Stabsarzt und ????
Due to this, a DU-Verfahren (Dienstunfähigkeitsverfahren) was initiated, for which he was granted leave (p.23)
from 21.2.45 - 5.3.45 and he was transferred to Heeres-Entlassungstelle 3/X, which issued this Zweitschrift
and made all the award entries on p. 22.
The result of the DU Verfahren is not completely clear to me. What happened, is that he was sent back to his
replacement unit, where he was transferred to the Marsch-Kp. 376 in late March (entries on p.6) and finally sent
to Wehrmachtgefängnis Anklam, where he would be part of the Aufsichtspersonal (prison wardens) in April 1945.
(last entry on p. 4, stamps on p.14 and 15).
What I find a bit ... suspicious :
a) award entries on p. 22 bottom.
It seems to me, that the Heeresentlassungstelle filled in all the more important award entries, when they
issued this Zweitschrift Soldbuch.
When he returned to his replacement unit in March 45 and before he was sent to Anklam, other ( IMO less
important) awards were listed in addition on p. 21 (dated 29.3.45) by the clerk of Marsch-Kp. 376 (stamp).
So, the question would be, whether all the actions, that lead to the award entries dated in May,1945,
happened in April 1945, or whether all the documents had not been available before ?!
b) I could not find a listing of what kind of disabilities would qualify for Versehrtenstufe II.
(I assume a longer term treatment was necessary) To me, it is a question, how he could upgrade his Führerschein
to 60t Panzer in early Feb. 1945 and 2 weeks later beeing sent to a DU-Verfahren ?!
c) The Panzer-Abteilung 6 mentioned in his Führerschein remains a bit mysterious to me.
Nevertheless, a very interesting grouping and perhaps some additional documents can shed some light
on the "open questions"
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Cheers,
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Hi Archi, thanks very much for the info. I've photographed all the other documents I have for this group, just been too busy/lazy to post them...I'll try to get that done in the next few days.
One of the interesting items is related to the "Tigers at the end?" title here...his diary entries (or memoirs, more correctly) have him in Stettin at the end of the war, Picking up King Tigers. I recently started reading the book "Panzers in the East", documenting actions led by General Raus. And apparently his last posting before being relieved by Hitler was leading the armies up in that area.
Here's a quick shot of the diary....
And yes, those last award entries look suspicious, and will never be verified. His Ehrendienst album shows him wearing the EK1, but who knows if it was officially awarded.
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HankUnless it was nighttime, or the weather was bad, and you were running out of gas - then it was a sweaty nightmare, like a monkey f*ing a skunk.
~ Dan Hampton, Viper PilotComment
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I think that his discharge from the 114 Jager Division was when the division has left Croatia at the beginning of February 1944 ...in effect in his form ( post nr. he indicates "114 Jag. Div. - Balkan"Comment
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Okay, here's a couple more documents. I'm posting them more or less chronologically.
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2 from 1937Unless it was nighttime, or the weather was bad, and you were running out of gas - then it was a sweaty nightmare, like a monkey f*ing a skunk.
~ Dan Hampton, Viper PilotComment
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1938Unless it was nighttime, or the weather was bad, and you were running out of gas - then it was a sweaty nightmare, like a monkey f*ing a skunk.
~ Dan Hampton, Viper PilotComment
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From 1939 his SA Sportabzeichen Urkunde w/ coverUnless it was nighttime, or the weather was bad, and you were running out of gas - then it was a sweaty nightmare, like a monkey f*ing a skunk.
~ Dan Hampton, Viper PilotComment
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SA sportabz....unfortunately, no papers from 1940.
Unless it was nighttime, or the weather was bad, and you were running out of gas - then it was a sweaty nightmare, like a monkey f*ing a skunk.
~ Dan Hampton, Viper PilotComment
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1941Unless it was nighttime, or the weather was bad, and you were running out of gas - then it was a sweaty nightmare, like a monkey f*ing a skunk.
~ Dan Hampton, Viper PilotComment
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1941 cont'dUnless it was nighttime, or the weather was bad, and you were running out of gas - then it was a sweaty nightmare, like a monkey f*ing a skunk.
~ Dan Hampton, Viper PilotComment
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have to double check to see if there's anything from '42....here's 43Unless it was nighttime, or the weather was bad, and you were running out of gas - then it was a sweaty nightmare, like a monkey f*ing a skunk.
~ Dan Hampton, Viper PilotComment
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1944Unless it was nighttime, or the weather was bad, and you were running out of gas - then it was a sweaty nightmare, like a monkey f*ing a skunk.
~ Dan Hampton, Viper PilotComment
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A propaganda flyer from (I believe) 1944Unless it was nighttime, or the weather was bad, and you were running out of gas - then it was a sweaty nightmare, like a monkey f*ing a skunk.
~ Dan Hampton, Viper PilotComment
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