This came out of a house cleaning and is very late war. Unfortunately only the Soldbuch and a few civilian documents were there. It is a Zweitschrift issued 1 May, 1945!
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more pages, I have not been able to find anything on Jagdpz Kp 2214, was it possibly a Hetzer unit? -
he got the wound badge in silver on 5 May, 1945 but had a number of earlier entries on page 22.Comment
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he must have been released as a POW very early (possibly due to his wounds in May 45) and these two documents were also with it. Visible scars are also clearly entered into these slightly post-war documents.Comment
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Interesting Soldbuch. Glad it was saved!
JeffComment
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I like it a lot!!Comment
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I like it very much too,
AlComment
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He was promoted to Unteroffizier in Sept 1944 - the picture must have been taken after that date - interesting that he is not wearing any of his awards.Comment
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Originally posted by naxos View Post
Interesting indeed. There's a lot more I find "interesting" about this Soldbuch
Not one I would want in my collection... but that's just me.Comment
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That has to be the nicest almost end-of-war ( 1 May, 1945) Soldbuchs I have ever seen. The photo is really nice as well and so is the unit. Congrats and thanks for sharing.
Last edited by Edward; 11-15-2013, 10:36 PM.Comment
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Hi all !
That unit designation confused me too. Sounds very interesting !I have not been able to find anything on Jagdpz Kp 2214, was it possibly a Hetzer unit?
Formally, this unit should be a Panzerjäger-Kompanie of the 214. Inf.Div.
When in 1944 the Germans started to equip at least one company of the Panzerjäger-Abteilungen of the
infantry divisions with StuG III or IV, these companies received several strange (and confusing) designations.
The best overview on this topic I found, is given here by Martin Block (although in German only) :
http://forum.panzer-archiv.de/viewto...3e7b4e5c#86375
To cut it short, if the designation is correct, this should be the 2nd company of Pz.Jg.Abt. 214,
which would have been equipped with StuG or Jagdpanzer (so that there should have been two companies
equipped with StuG/PzJg. ).
Here is some info on Pzjg.Kp./StuG.Abt. 1214 which became equiped with StuG III in mid 1944, before going east :
http://www.feldgrau.net/forum/viewto...d0313eb#p91315
Prior to the Red Army offensive, in an overview of the 9. Armee from 10. Jan. 1945 (Panzer and Pak strength),
the 214. ID is listed to have 10 StuG and 24 s.Pak in total. (So that would point to only 1 such company at that time).
Within a few days after the Russian attack, the division was totally destroyed. According to Tessin,
it was planned to build a new 214. Inf.Div., but this plans were not carried out. The only elements that
were raised (somewhere in Schlesien), were one infantry battalion (I./568) and a Panzerjäger-Kompanie 214.
This newly formed Pzjg.-Kp. 214 is the only connection to a possible Jagdpz. Kp. 2214, that I was able to find.
Perhaps anybody has some more details on either Pzjg.-Kp. 214 or Jagdpanzer-Kp. 2214 and knows whether
there this is possibly the same unit ?
According to the Feldpost entry it was raised from late March 45 onward with FPN 56895.
It would be interesting, if someone could decipher the FPN(s) on the stamps !
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As I am relative new here, it would be nice, if someone could help me with the following questions :
1.) Under what circumstances would such a Soldbuch "Zweitschrift" be issued ?
(when the original Soldbuch was damaged, partly illegible, what else ... ?)
2.) Would the "Zweitschrift" be an exact copy (as close as possible) of the original or would only the
most important entries be made ?
3.) All old entries that were copied over would be confirmed by the signature of the Kp.Chef and the stamp
of the company, that issued this Zweitschrift ?!
4.) What I don't understand :
a) If the Soldbuch is written and issued on 1.5.1945, why are there the two entries with the red ink from
a different unit (or different Kdr.), dated one month earlier ?!
b) How can there be the stamps from Panzerjägerschule Mielau on the photo page ?
(I would expect the same stamps with which the other entriews are confirmed).
It would be nice, if somebody could find the time to explain at least some of those questions to a newbie
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Thanks in advance !
Cheers,
ArchiLast edited by Archi; 11-20-2013, 01:26 PM.Comment
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Ardhi,
If interested, I can give you a scan of the original regulations for how to issue a Zwreitschrift. PM me and I'll get your email addressComment
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These entries connected with his promotion to feldwebel reflect from when the promotion became effective. He could very well have been promoted in may with a seniority date effective from 1 april 45..) What I don't understand :
a) If the Soldbuch is written and issued on 1.5.1945, why are there the two entries with the red ink from
a different unit (or different Kdr.), dated one month earlier ?!Collecting German award documents, other paperwork and photos relating to Norway and Finland.Comment
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Hello Jeff and Simon !
Thanks to the kind help by Jeff (JUNGCO) and the information he provided, it is clear now, that in general only
the most important entries are copied (presumably to reduce the paperwork), and all what I was missing is simply
according to the rules, so many of my other questions are answered now in a very satisfying way. Big thanks !
@Simon :
Many thanks for your explanation. I have looked at several Soldbücher presented in this forum and noticed that
several times the dates on page 1 and 3 just are the same, but in several other cases the date on page 3 was later
than that on page 1. So I simply assumed the entry on page 1 refers to the date the promotion became effective
and the date on page 3 would simply be the date when the entry was made into the Soldbuch (the latter would not
have been possible in this case).
Is there a general rule on the meaning of that date on page 3 entry (possibly referring to the date the promotion
was "officially announced" (bekannt gegeben ?! not sure on the correct technical term) or is that just not clear,
as it depended on the unit / person who made that entry ?!
And if I may ask an additional question according to this specific case :
Is there a reason why this promotion entry would have been signed
by a different officer than all the other entries ?
(Sorry if I'm asking the obvious.)
What I still do not understand are the stamps of Pz.Jg.Schule Mielau on the photo if this is a Zweitschrift ?!
I am very thankful for all the interesting infos I received so far
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Cheers,
ArchiComment
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