Need some help for this ID !

[viggen]

Hello

Can anyone decypher this (sorry no picture available) :

A 1186
L . MULA . KITTLIZTREBEN

Thanks

Viggen

[viggen]

A 1186
L . MULA . KITTLITZTREBEN

[Matt L]

Hi Viggin,

'L. Mula.' stands for 'Luftwaffe Munitionslager'- a Luftwaffe ammunition storage facility in Kittlitztreben. 'A' would be this soldiers blood group, and '1186' his Stammrollennummer (roster number).

Matt

[viggen]

Thanks Matt

[Matt L]

You bet- any time

Matt

[miraul]

hi. this is not soldier i.d. "A" is not bloodgroup.
"A" mean civil worker. Luftwaffe Munitionslager KITTLITZTREBEN is near neuhammer (swietoszow) now in poland.
regards

[Chris Stewart]

Are you sure about that Miraul? I've never heard of that before!

[Matt L]

A blood group marking doesn't necessarily have to mean the disc belonged to a soldier- I would think that personnel at a munitions facility could have a necessity for such a marking in case of accidents. How exactly, Miraul, do you know that 'A' was the designation for a civilian worker? If you're going to contradict someone, it's really a good idea to provide references...

Matt

[Matt L]

On p. 72 (image 280), Jean Höidal (Deutsche Erkennungsmarken des zweiten Weltkrieges) shows a similar disc, marked 'Luft.M.A. Dethlingen', and he describes the 'A' stamped on both halves as the blood group. Unfortunately, not being a combat unit, I never pay much attention to this type of disc, so I can't say I've ever seen anything obviously a blood group or obviously not one.

Honestly, it really doesn't make much sense to use a letter that stands for a particular blood group to denote anything else... it just invites confusion... however it wouldn't be the first time that something's confused me

Matt

[miraul]

hi all.
in luftwaffe dog tag like this A mean civilian worker (100%)
in dog tag flak artillerie B maen -flakhelfer
in dog tag italian freiwillige C mean propably inoculation
(vaccination)

[Chris Stewart]

Where did you get this from though?

So, if I have a flak dog tag stamped "A", what does that mean?...would some tags be stamped "B B" if they soldiers bloodtype was B and he was a flakhelfer?

[Matt L]

I found the reference, however Miraul forgot one important detail- it's in Höidal, p. 95: "According to a Luftwaffe field manual, fron 16. November, 1939, civilians were denoted by an 'A' before the Stammrollennummer. Furthermore, a 'B' denoted Flakhelfer, compounding the possibility of confusion of these letters with blood group markings" (my translation, my italics and bold).

I'd take this as a situation where if the letter appears anywhere but immediately before the Stammrollennummer, it's more likely a blood group. Unfortunately, that's the best I think we can do. It seems that Herr Höidal thinks this way too as the disc I mentioned has the 'A' above the unit marking which is above the Stammrollennummer- thus he describes it as the wearers blood group.

I can't help but wonder if the directive was changed when a soldier's blood group began to be marked on his disc in mid-1941. Surely someone realized the problem of confusion existed...

Matt