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[miraul]

hi. i.d. of staff 32 infantry division.
order of battle (32i.d.):
poland,belgien ,france,demjansk ,stara russa,polock,riga,kurland,hela
regards

[Chris Stewart]

Nice half disc. Looks like he was the commander of the signals, or someone high up there!

[Matt L]

Whoops- sorry Chris, it's Nachschub, not Nachrichten- so it's supply, not signals. I had one of these once, it's the staff company of the divisional supply command unit, 32. Infanterie-Division- although mine was simply abbreviated D.N.F.

[Chris Stewart]

My mistake! I have to learn my German words...

[Matt L]

It's a nice example Miraul- I have a couple of questions though: is there another number on it anywhere? On the back maybe? Because if this is the 32. Infanterie-Division, there's no Stammrollennummer, and if 32 is it, there's no Division number- neither of which makes sense. Also, does the scratch to the left of the bottom hole look to you like it was made on purpose? It almost looks like an 'O'- maybe the original owner's blood group?

One other thing: I would really recommend that you be sure the images you post are less than 1024x768- this one is HUGE...

Matt

[miraul]

hi.
i think on the scratch is Stammrollennummer 9.
regards

[Matt L]

Hi Miraul,

I find it really hard to believe the Stammrollennummer would have been scratched on the disc- it should have been stamped just like all the rest of the markings and at the same time. Since it wasn't until 1941 that a soldier's blood group was formally marked on his disc, you'll sometimes find it scrached on or otherwise crudely marked if the soldier was already serving at this time.

So you're saying there are no other numbers than the '32'?

From the position of the '32', it does appear to be the Division number- the Stammrollennummer is usually centered on a different line than the unit. If there really are no other numbers than the '32', I'll be quite confused.

Matt

[Chris Stewart]

Could you post the reverse of the disc Miraul?

[miraul]

hi.
soldier number is propablly 9 .

[Matt L]

Okay, I'm officially confused It really makes no sense that the Stammrollennummer would not be stamped on a disc at the same time the unit is marked. The only thing that would be marked sometime later would be the soldier's blood group. Everything else should go on the disc at the same time. It seems even more unlikely it would be scratched in so unrecognizably if it were- that barely even looks like a '9'. That's a very strange half-disc...

[miraul]

hi .soldier number was in the tag, but now isnt (propablly was 9) .and there is orginal ss dog tag without any numbers

http://onet.allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=27816901
regards

[Matt L]

Ah, but that's different; if that Wiking disc is indeed authentic, it's a 'blank'- waiting for the Kompanie and Stammrollennummer to be stamped on. It's unissued. The fact that the DNF disc is only the bottom half suggests the wearer was killed, therefore the disc was issued. It is possible that it was unissued and simply 'destroyed' by breaking it, although then I'd expect the other half to have been found in the same place.

Matt

[Gaspare]

Miraul , even though that Wiking tag is un issued there shoud be something on back..Is there? , thanks , G.

[miraul]

waffen ss

[Gaspare]

Excellent . The majority of the issued tags for this unit were found in a mass grave in Ukraine in the 90s. All that I have seen [more than 50] have had the same type SS runes, letter stamps and have had Waffen-SS on back. .
Sorry I can not help with the first tag you posted,but as far as the SS Wiking, it is original , G.