GPB soldbuch-Panther commander KIA

[dennisb]

Interesting discussion. I have to agree with most that the photo has been replaced. I only want to add to that point that the man's haircolor does not match either. The man of the Soldbuch seems to have a 'Aschblond' haircolor, but the color of the man in the photo looks way darker.

[Eric JB]

Interesting Soldbuch, pity about the photo, better to take that phoney replacement photo out again, and to keep the booklet as an example where the photo was taken out.
Although it will have its influence on the value of that Soldbuch, booklets with photos taken out are priced a bit lower, and some collectors are no longer interested in a booklet where the photo that was once original in it - it taken out of it.

Best regards

Eric-Jan

[SiPo]

Here is a picture of where the stamp over the photo was "impressed" on another page when the ink was still wet. It matches exactly.

?? On my tiny laptop screen the picture you posted shows the stamp in the correct orientation. If it were "impressed" on the other page due to wet ink, I would expect a negative image.


Rob, I believe the dealer is "Military Antiques and Fossils."

[CWP]

The stamp on page 1 is to verify the "Zweitausfertigung" entry indicating this is a second issue book. It has nothing to do with the stamps on the picture. The stamps do not line up and there is no doubt that the photo is a post-war replacement.

[ccnrecon]

I think the photo is rather interesting in and of itself. I just noticed one other thing that must be addressed regarding the photo and stamps and the matter will be settled. I see it here bht describing what I see may be difficult. I will give it a shot.

[Admiraal]

I agree, the photo has been replaced.
Allot of things that do not match up, including the stamp in the upper left corner of the photo, his age, awards.. etc.

I see a few people saying that the photo is made before 1944, that doesn´t matter!
They used all kinds of photo´s in a Soldbuch, even pre-war photo´s.

[naxos]

I see a few people saying that the photo is made before 1944, that doesn´t matter!

In this case it matters in as much as he was not a Leutnant before 1944.


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They used all kinds of photo´s in a Soldbuch, even pre-war photo´s.

I do agree on that.

[ccnrecon]

In post 3, the soldbuch's facing page you can see where the photo has rested against the paper as it has a different hue than the rest of the page. You can see the "box" left by the photo. That I would say is impossible to fake. I am not arguing that this photo belongs in this soldbuch. I am just saying that it has rested against the facing page a long time.

[ccnrecon]

I have just learned a bit more about the history of this soldbuch. Yikes! It has been in this hobby with that photo a very long time! Will post info after I follow up.

[Marcel Banziger]

I am no expert at all but it is very easy to see the pic has been added later. Especially the top left stamp doesn't make a full circle and the part on the pic is going inwards at 3 o'clock.

[hucks216]

In post 3, the soldbuch's facing page you can see where the photo has rested against the paper as it has a different hue than the rest of the page. You can see the "box" left by the photo. That I would say is impossible to fake. I am not arguing that this photo belongs in this soldbuch. I am just saying that it has rested against the facing page a long time.

That photo may of been in that SB for some time but it could of been put in there in 1950, 60 or 88 and that would qualify as a long time. With regards to the 'box' on page 2 I'd say that it is from the original photo not the one currently there, reason being that the dimensions don't match up with the position of the staples & with the photo that is currently there.

Look at the upper staple that is in the photo - the right hand side of it is level with the edge of the photo but in the 'box' on page 2 there is a definite gap (Indicated by the Number 1). Not only that but look at the straight line from the top of the staple across to the opposite side of the photo - there is a 'step up' on the other side of the photo whereas in the 'box' on page 2 the edge of the photo imprint is level all the way across (indicated by the number 2.)

Not only that but in the close up of Page 2, and indicated by the arrows, is the print from the stamp that was on the original photo and transferred across when the cover was closed - however the photo that is currently there doesn't have that portion of the stamp on it at all, at least not one with the writing on it that can be seen on the imprint on page 2 and on the remainder of the stamps on the inside cover.

[naxos]

I have just learned a bit more about the history of this soldbuch. Yikes! It has been in this hobby with that photo a very long time! Will post info after I follow up.

What kind of an argument are you making; - the longer the wrong photo resides in this Soldbuch, the more real it becomes?

I say: “As soon as you take this picture out the Soldbuch its value increases, since the debate will shift from the tampering to the excellent content of the book.”

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[naxos]

BTW: The man was not killed in action; he died at a field hospital.

How is this for luck or the lack of it? He survived a bullet lodged near his heart and several more close calls, only to die of complications with an ear-infection two month before the end of the war.

[ccnrecon]

What kind of an argument are you making; - the longer the wrong photo resides in this Soldbuch, the more real it becomes?

I say: “As soon as you take this picture out the Soldbuch its value increases, since the debate will shift from the tampering to the excellent content of the book.”

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I am not making any argument. I am awaiting response from what I hope will turn out to be the fellow that introduced this soldbuch to the hobby, decades ago. I am just curious to see what he has to say. As I stated earlier, although I find the photo intriguing, I am more interested about the content of the soldbuch itself. With that, I found no fault whatsoever.

[Panzer Rob]

In post 3, the soldbuch's facing page you can see where the photo has rested against the paper as it has a different hue than the rest of the page. You can see the "box" left by the photo. That I would say is impossible to fake.

Not impossible at all; It's actually quite easy to achieve. It would also be simple to add the ink from the corner of the photo to the facing page (page 1). However, as Kevin has pointed out, in this case it looks like it may be from the original photo.

I am not arguing that this photo belongs in this soldbuch. I am just saying that it has rested against the facing page a long time.

Define "a long time."

You can continue to come up with every conceivable "Yeah, but..." and "What if..." imaginable in an attempt convince yourself that the photo is original to the book, however all of the evidence present leaves absolutely no doubt to anyone here - except possibly you - that the photo has been replaced and is NOT the soldier the Soldbuch was issued to. Otherwise you wouldn't continue to push the issue.

If you don't mind me asking, what is your real name? Many of us have used our real names and it would be nice (and polite) if we could please know yours.

Thanks!!
Rob