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    Windhund soldbuch

    I recently bought this beuty from a member and im very happy about it. This soldier belonged to the inf reg 156 which later became panzergren reg 156 of the Windhund division. The last entry I can find seems to be from 3.8 1944 and therefore it could be possible that this soldier was captured shortly after? I will have to dig further into this when I have my vacation.

    It seems that pages 22-24 are missing and therefore the awards have been pasted on to page 21. On the picture of the solider you can clearly see the EK 1but no entry. Could this be because of the missing pages?

































    I cant read the writing here, any clue what this is?






    Last edited by Zeigler; 06-13-2012, 11:16 AM.
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    Nice Soldbuch
    I'm collecting anything related to the towns Castricum and Bakkum during WWII.
    Also soldbucher from 116pzdiv. And 1944-1945 eastfront pockets, kampfgruppe and Oder front.
    My website: Gotrick.nl

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      #3
      Hi Zeigler!

      Nice soldbuch, very good one.
      I think the reason is because the last pages are lost..
      If you note, the soldier entered in service in 1941, date in which id pictures were not inserted in soldbuch. I think the photo was put inside later, perhaps after 1943. (the photo is over a stripped page, and also the stamps are over, so it must be inserted later in time). In fact the received the EKII klass in 1943, as it is written. So it might be that he was awarded EKI klass after 1943, so signed in the lost pages. Obviously we cannot be 100% sure of this..

      The only think I don't like so much is that the lower staple has below 2 little holes, of a prevoius metal staple.. perhaps there was a prevoius photo? might be replaced..? even if the stamps seem good according to your picture..

      Have a nice day!

      Argan

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        #4
        Originally posted by argan View Post
        Hi Zeigler!

        Nice soldbuch, very good one.
        I think the reason is because the last pages are lost..
        If you note, the soldier entered in service in 1941, date in which id pictures were not inserted in soldbuch. I think the photo was put inside later, perhaps after 1943. (the photo is over a stripped page, and also the stamps are over, so it must be inserted later in time). In fact the received the EKII klass in 1943, as it is written. So it might be that he was awarded EKI klass after 1943, so signed in the lost pages. Obviously we cannot be 100% sure of this..
        It is something to think about. If the pages was lost after he was awarded EK2, the EK1 entry should be displayed somewhere or it could also have been lost. The pages could also have been lost after the EK1 but then again why wasent that EK1 entry written then?

        Originally posted by argan View Post
        The only think I don't like so much is that the lower staple has below 2 little holes, of a prevoius metal staple.. perhaps there was a prevoius photo? might be replaced..? even if the stamps seem good according to your picture..
        Yes, I noticed that two. Their are only two holes and just under the lower ones. It might have been an error done by the clerk or the soldier itself during the attachment? There are no other holes.

        I

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          #5
          Nice Sb, indeed ! Your man was probably captured in Alencon - Argentan area where the Pz Gren. Regt. 156 fought hardly against US and french troops, during the first half of august 44.

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            #6
            Any chance of a larger scan of the photo and over stamps?

            As Argan has mentioned there appears to be other staple holes and for me ghosting or a "double" stamp as if it has been over stamped. This can happen at the time of course, but also when adding a photo when the original has been removed!!

            No EK I entered......it could be entered elsewhere in the Soldbuch but if extra pages are inserted there usually is an entry to say see that page.....

            There could have been an extra page as well as the leave page missing but your guess is as good as mine as to what might have been on it!

            /Ian
            Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

            Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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              #7
              I´ve seen better pictures and i think that the picture is original to the soldbuch.
              I'm collecting anything related to the towns Castricum and Bakkum during WWII.
              Also soldbucher from 116pzdiv. And 1944-1945 eastfront pockets, kampfgruppe and Oder front.
              My website: Gotrick.nl

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                #8
                Originally posted by Luft 76 View Post
                Nice Sb, indeed ! Your man was probably captured in Alencon - Argentan area where the Pz Gren. Regt. 156 fought hardly against US and french troops, during the first half of august 44.
                Thanks for the info!
                Do you know a good source for more information?

                Originally posted by Ian Jewison View Post
                Any chance of a larger scan of the photo and over stamps?


                Better?

                Originally posted by Ian Jewison View Post
                No EK I entered......it could be entered elsewhere in the Soldbuch but if extra pages are inserted there usually is an entry to say see that page.....

                There could have been an extra page as well as the leave page missing but your guess is as good as mine as to what might have been on it!

                /Ian
                Could this be it? Its in a weird place at least..

                Last edited by Zeigler; 06-21-2012, 07:48 AM.

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                  #9
                  That entry is a pay entry that is in the normal place. "Inhaber erhaelt Kriegsbesoldung nach..."

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Zeigler View Post
                    Thanks for the info!
                    Do you know a good source for more information?
                    They are some french studies about these fights, written by the french autor Didier Lodieu.
                    I will see if I can do a resum, in english, for you.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Luft 76 View Post
                      They are some french studies about these fights, written by the french autor Didier Lodieu.
                      I will see if I can do a resum, in english, for you.
                      That would be fantastic!

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