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    SS TK Inf Rgt Wehrpass with questions

    Hello. I've got a question regarding a Wehrpass of SS TK Inf Rgt. On page 12 (units) the last entry is dated with 3.10.1943. On page 33 (battles) the last entry is dated with 25.5.1943.
    According to this it doesn't make any sense to me that page 23 (medals) has an EKI entry dated 25.4.1945.
    The WP doesn't have any other entries between 1943 and 1945. What was he doing between June 1943 and April 1945?

    Regards
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      Post war addition would be my guess. Are there any other clues, such as wounds? Since there's no stamps on the awards page, you could consider them all suspect, I suppose.

      Hank
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        Originally posted by Hank Cummings View Post
        Post war addition would be my guess. Are there any other clues, such as wounds? Since there's no stamps on the awards page, you could consider them all suspect, I suppose.

        Hank
        Hi Hank. Thanks for your opinion. Unfortunately there are no other clues. What a pity! I was hoping that there might be another explanation for the time gap. But the missing stamps on the award page are not a definite proof for post war entries. I have seen other Wehrpässe without any signatures / stamps but the matching citations.

        Regards
        Last edited by Oberbootsmann; 02-27-2012, 06:30 PM.

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          #5
          Agree with Hank - award entries are suspect. Can you post more pages of the book?

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            Originally posted by naxos View Post
            Agree with Hank - award entries are suspect. Can you post more pages of the book?
            I have to talk to the owner first as he gave me permission to show just those pages for now.

            Regards

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              Agree with the all previous comments made regarding the EK I entry.

              Very odd also that an award of an Infanterie-Sturmabzeichen im Silber was made. The unit had been converted to a Panzer-Grenadier Regiment for sometime at the time of award!

              As he was awarded the Ost Medal would you please show the earlier entries underneath the later pasted in sheet on page 33 (Wehrdeinst).
              Last edited by Edward; 02-27-2012, 07:01 PM.

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                Originally posted by Edward View Post
                As he was awarded the Ost Medal would you please show the earlier entries underneath the later pasted in sheet on page 33 (Wehrdeinst).
                Hello Edward. Here they are. I've just noticed that there is another gap between the last entry on page 32 and the first one on page 33.

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                  Originally posted by Oberbootsmann View Post
                  Hello Edward. Here they are. I've just noticed that there is another gap between the last entry on page 32 and the first one on page 33.

                  Regards
                  The Infanterie-Sturmabziechen im Silber raises a possible flag for reason mentioned. Missing service entries (gap) between 2.6.41 - 24.10.42 would have helped in determining his location and eligibility for award of Demjansk Schild as well. Page 12 lists his various Truppenteill as with Div TK for the missing service period. Why the entries for the missing period should not be present in the Wehrpaß as well is another area of caution.
                  Last edited by Edward; 02-27-2012, 07:25 PM.

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                    Originally posted by Edward View Post
                    The Infanterie-Sturmabziechen im Silber raises a possible flag for reason mentioned. Missing service entries between 2.6.41 - 24.10.42 would have helped in determining his location and eligibility for award of Demjansk Schild as well. Imho, this brings into question all awards after Ost Medal. Do you have any further documentation other than the Wehrpaß?
                    Thanks Edward. There is an "Arbeitsbuch" of him (last entries were made 1939) as well as a Data Sheet of a French prison for war criminals (last entries made 1948). Unfortunately this document doesn't show any further information.

                    The WP is part of a big grouping, consisting of WP with matching ID tag, Arbeitsbuch, French war criminal data sheet, leathern WP and ID tag cover, skull ring (front made?), Demjansk Shield, EKII, Eastern Medal and Kraftfahrbewährungsabzeichen Bronze.

                    As mentioned before I'm not the owner of the grouping. But as the seller nows about this thread it is on him to post the rest of the pictures.

                    Regards

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                      Originally posted by Oberbootsmann View Post
                      Thanks Edward. There is an "Arbeitsbuch" of him (last entries were made 1939) as well as a Data Sheet of a French prison for war criminals (last entries made 1948). Unfortunately this document doesn't show any further information.

                      The WP is part of a big grouping, consisting of WP with matching ID tag, Arbeitsbuch, French war criminal data sheet, leathern WP and ID tag cover, skull ring (front made?), Demjansk Shield, EKII, Eastern Medal and Kraftfahrbewährungsabzeichen Bronze.

                      As mentioned before I'm not the owner of the grouping. But as the seller nows about this thread it is on him to post the rest of the pictures.

                      Regards
                      Well, that certainly sounds like an impressive grouping you have for your collection Oberbootsmann! Congrats.

                      The additional documents would certainly clear up any questions I would have regarding the veterans Demjansk Schild award. Do you have his award document for the Infanterie-Sturmabziechen im Silber, or EK I? Thanks. Jerry

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                        Originally posted by Edward View Post
                        Well, that certainly sounds like an impressive grouping you have for your collection Oberbootsmann! Congrats.

                        The additional documents would certainly clear up any questions I would have regarding the veterans Demjansk Schild award. Do you have his award document for the Infanterie-Sturmabziechen im Silber, or EK I? Thanks. Jerry
                        If original and having proof for it, I indeed would be very happy to add this group to my collection. But for the moment there are too many unanswered questions.
                        There are no award documents.

                        Regards
                        Last edited by Oberbootsmann; 02-27-2012, 08:13 PM.

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                          According to the deployment entries in the Wehrpass he was not eligible for the Ostmedaille either.

                          From June 1941 until January 1943 the man was in France at the Atlantic coast.

                          The Ostmedaille was only awarded to soldiers that have been deployed on the Eastern Front during the period from November 15, 1941 to April 15, 1942 i.e. the Winter of 1941 / 42.

                          Last edited by naxos; 02-27-2012, 08:23 PM.

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                            Originally posted by Oberbootsmann View Post
                            If original and having proof for it, I indeed would be very happy to add this group to my collection. But for the moment there are too many unanswered questions.
                            There are no award documents.

                            Regards
                            Yes, that definitely would have helped had there been the aforementioned additional documentation.

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                              Originally posted by naxos View Post
                              According to the deployment entries in the Wehrpass he was not eligible for the Ostmedaille either.

                              From June 1941 until January 1943 the man was in France at the Atlantic coast.

                              The Ostmedaille was only awarded to soldiers that have been deployed on the Eastern Front during the period from November 15, 1941 to April 15, 1942 i.e. the Winter of 1941 / 42.

                              That's bad news but probably has saved me a lot of money.

                              Regards

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