Luftwaffe RKT Soldbuch, documents and medals group: KG200

[Luftm40]

I thought this group might also be of interest here

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ighlight=sumpf

[JeremyJ]

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Very nice group I recall seeing in the other forum as well.

In terms of KG200 attributed RKT yes it is quite rare to see recipients from this unit. I would need to look further to see how many members of the unit received the RK.


Regards

Jeremy

[Luftm40]

The issue of awards for KG 200 flight crew is interesting. My RK references are not divided by unit type, but in a quick look thru my DKiG listings for bombers crews I couldn't find a single listing for KG 200. Surely that can't have been the case. Were their awards classified? I believe I've seen lower level documents and awards to KG 200 ground crew, but never a significant award to an aircrewman...EK1, clasp, EP DKIG, RK etc.

It also makes me wonder if Sumpf may have been awarded the EP and DKiG as well.

Many years ago there was a KG 200 Bordfunker group split up and sold on Ebay. I won his log book and some other documents. The log book showed flights in captured B-17s etc. I foolishly sold it several years later...I didn't realize how truly rare this material is

[Floris]

Amazing group
I really like the document with "Voltreffer auf die brucke bei Avranches" on it.
Such items gives it a good of view what he did.

[Eric JB]

The issue of awards for KG 200 flight crew is interesting. My RK references are not divided by unit type, but in a quick look thru my DKiG listings for bombers crews I couldn't find a single listing for KG 200. Surely that can't have been the case. Were their awards classified? I believe I've seen lower level documents and awards to KG 200 ground crew, but never a significant award to an aircrewman...EK1, clasp, EP DKIG, RK etc.

It also makes me wonder if Sumpf may have been awarded the EP and DKiG as well.

Many years ago there was a KG 200 Bordfunker group split up and sold on Ebay. I won his log book and some other documents. The log book showed flights in captured B-17s etc. I foolishly sold it several years later...I didn't realize how truly rare this material is

Fantastic KG 200 grouping you are showing us here on WAF.

Concerning the grouping on Ebay, yes I do remember that one, as I was interested in the man's Flugbuch.......interesting entries and for those rare B17 flights in it, but I was outbidded.......by you.....

yours friendly

Eric-Jan

[Luftm40]

Thanks. Another mystery is the notation for sinking the American cruiser Pensacola. Pensacola served exclusively in the Pacific.......what ship does this actually refer to?

[bsmith56]

Very rare grouping you have here!

Not too sure what to think about the Pensacola entry. Based on the dates, I would think this sinking probably took place in the Channel seeing as they were attacking Avranches only 2 days later.

Pensacola could refer to the whole class, and not the actual USS Pensacola, but there was only one other boat in this class and it did not sink either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensacola_class_cruiser

Here is a list of all the ships the US lost in WWII, and nothing seems to even remotely line up with Sumpfs August 4th sinking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...n_World_War_II

Maybe someone else has an opinion on it.

[Ian Jewison]

Interesting group!! I know that portrait photo well and always wondered why he wore two pilots badges, or is one the combined pilot/Observers Badge? Either way an illegal combination...one or the other!

According to lists, he received his RK as a member of, or for his achievements with I/KG 100. However according to the Soldbuch he never served with I Gruppe!?!?!?

Also, he does not appear in the list of RKT in KG 100 unit history!

After the demise of III/KG 100 he transferred to convert on the He177a, however didn't last long there and went to 10/SG 151 with was a conversion/training unit equipped with Fw 190 which corresponds why he would go to 10/KG 200 which was equipped with Fw 190F-8.

I will trawl through Kg 100 book and see if he is mentioned, however a quick look also does not show the sinking of Pensacola!!

Here is a listing of US Warships lost during the war... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...n_World_War_II

Avaranches is mentioned on 6/7 and 7/8.8.1944, however no sinking on the 4th and no mention of Sumpf.

/Ian

[Ian Jewison]

Interestingly I found 10/SG 151 was for "Sea training" on Fw 190 and SG 111 "night attack training"....hence the Blindflugschein III in the flying license.

Depending where you look he is, he might be or he is not a RKT! I did not see him as a member of the ODR, however proof was apparently found be Ernst Obermaier and die Gemeinschaft der Jagdflieger the he was indeed a RKT.

With that said, he is not listed in Die Ritterkreuzträger der Kampfflieger....continued from Herr Obermaier's work.

/Ian

[Luftm40]

The specialized training he received in the FW. 190 supported his assignment to 10/ KG 200, whose mission was torpedo attacks against shipping with specially modified variants of the FW 190