Need some help with this Soldbuch photo

[Admiraal]

I´m trying to find out what kind of shoulderboards this guy has on his Soldbuch photo.
I´ve tried in the Uniform section, but no one gave a reaction.
So lets try here!

As extra information, he started his training (in 1943) in: Grenadier-Ersatz-Bataillon 23.
And after that he was at least in the following units:
Reserve-Grenadier-Regiment 61
Reserve-Grenadier-Bataillon 23
Marsch Bataillon z.b.v. I.R.322
Sturm-Bataillon AOK 18
Pionier-Ersatz-Bataillon 6
Pionier-Bataillon 326

On his unit page in the soldbuch someone wrote, underlined in red, the following: "Nur für Gren. Begl. zug zu verwenden".
Meaning: only to be used in the Grenadier escort platoon.
So he was a Stug/Jagdpanzer escort soldier.
Which makes sense with the Inf.Sturmabzeichen in bronze he earned.

Here the official order:
"Der Generalinspekteur der Panzertruppen: Aufstellung von Grenadier-
Begleitzügen für Sturmgeschütz- und Jagdpanzer-Einheiten: 10.10.1944"

[Admiraal]

If it has something to do with his job as Stug/Jagdpanzer escort or a specific unit he was in.. i don´t know..
Hopefully someone recognizes the emblem on the shoulderboards.

[Admiraal]

Last try..
No one saw something like this before? or has an idea what it could be?

[Ian Jewison]

Rick,

I can not find anything close, however what FP Nr./Unit stamps are in the Soldbuch around October 1944?

Difficult to say when the photo was added and when it was taken, however whatever the emblem is, it is not 326 Inf.Div's or AOK 18! A sub unit, maybe but never seen anything like that before!

With that said, if the order you refer to was for Panzertruppen and Stug escort duties, I would have expected to have been in a similar unit, which he does not appear to be......not all units listed or something in the Soldbuch that will give us a clue?

/Ian

[Admiraal]

Thanks Ian,
I don´t know if Sturm-Bataillon AOK 18 had any Stug´s ?
It was a Heerestruppe on the easternfront.
I bought this soldbuch because of that.
There is a book about the unit, but its sold out at the moment.. can´t find a copy.

Anyway, here are some scans:

[Admiraal]

The guy arrived in a Lazarett with "31b" (schrapnel wounds) on 17.7.1944.
After some other Lazarett´s he was released on 11 Aug. 1944.
He went to a Pionier ersatz unit first and then to Pionier-Bataillon 326 (326. Volks-Grenadier-Division).
I don´t know from when that red underlined writing is, could ofcourse also be before that Okt. 1944 order.

[Jochen1000]

Could the "F" be related to a function he had - e.g. Feuerwerker?
I particularly think of the time he was with the reserve unit. There they constantly had training courses where soldiers of many different units came together to be taught a specific topic. Maybe they gave them special boards while they were there.

[Gerdan]

The handwriting of the red underlined entry is the same as on page 4 D)

Ersatztruppenteil: "Gren. Ers. u. Ausb. Btl. 464 Wuppertal"


Gerdan

[Ian Jewison]

Rick,

What unit is the stamp around the photo?

/Ian

[Admiraal]

Thanks guys!

Ian, its hard to make out.
Its something like: Pi. *****. Ers. u. Ausb. **. *

The last "*" is a number, most likely a 6 or 8.
The two "**" is probably "Kp".
The first 5 "*****" are hard to make out.

[Admiraal]

Here some more units mentioned in the Soldbuch, there are 3 clothing/equipment pages ontop of each other.
Although i´m the first collector to have it in hands (AFAIK), someone ripped the pages apart from each other at one time.
Photo:

[Ian Jewison]

Hi Rick,

It is the Minden unit by the looks of things.....

Pi. ? .Ers.u.Ausb.Kp. 6

Can not make out if it is Marsch or Nachr. (Nachrichten)......most probably Marsch.

/Ian

[Admiraal]

Hi Rick,

It is the Minden unit by the looks of things.....

Pi. ? .Ers.u.Ausb.Kp. 6

Can not make out if it is Marsch or Nachr. (Nachrichten)......most probably Marsch.

/Ian

Ian, its probably Marsch.
Btw, do you know what a Sturm-Batterie is?
I´ve read it here: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...BtlAOK18-R.htm

[Ian Jewison]

Still no wiser with the emblem..... I wonder if it is a Pionierschule?

This is the tactical sign for Engineers......could it be this for a school!?!?!!?


/Ian

[Admiraal]

Hmm doesn´t look like it.

I´m not able to find the kstn. for an AOK sturmbataillon, but someone on the net wrote that its probably about the same as the kstn. of the Sturmbataillon in a field Armee-waffenschule.
I got my doubts with that, but that kstn. says it had a Pionierzug with 3 sniper rifles, 2 flametrowers and 3 self-loading rifles... don´t know about the other equipment of the zug though.

Could it maybe have something to do with a flametrower?