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    Soldbuch Oberleutnant in Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment 10

    Hello all,

    I have posted this Soldbuch here a year or two ago but I still have questions about it. The Soldbuch belonged to an Oberleutnant who served with Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment 10 and was wounded severely three times during the war. The first time he was wounded was in July 1942 and remained in hospital until November of that year. He got wounded for the second time on the 1st of December 1943 at Lomowo and remained in hospital until September of the following year. The third wound he received was in April 1945, which ended the war for him. Now there are a few things I do not understand;

    The Deutsche Dienststelle told me that he was first wounded in July 1942, but this is not being written down in the Soldbuch, while it was issued in February of that year. So why is there no information regarding his first wound? He was wounded for the second time on the 1st of December 1943, but was promoted to Oberleutnant on the same day. Would this just be a coincidence or was he maybe promoted due to some kind of a courageous action on that day which eventually led to his wound? Regarding the place where he was wounded for the second time, Lomowo, I found a town with that name in Poland, could that be the same one?









    With kind regards,

    Koen.
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    If you look under Lomovo you will find at least 2 towns with that name in Russia near Kursk. It could maybe be one of them. It was a very serious wound as he spent 5 months in Hospital. Although he was sent to Lazarett in Lublin first and then Prag, so maybe it is Lomowo in Poland. Do you know where his rgt was in Dec 1943. I don't think there was much "action" in Poland in 1943 so his promotion may be a coincidence.

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      #3
      Not all injuries were written in the soldbuch.
      Maybe a local small medical post was able to help him and it did´t took long.
      Like a verwundeten-nest or Hauptverbandplatz.
      I'm collecting anything related to the towns Castricum and Bakkum during WWII.
      Also soldbucher from 116pzdiv. And 1944-1945 eastfront pockets, kampfgruppe and Oder front.
      My website: Gotrick.nl

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        #4
        Nice Soldbuch. I love that portrait photo with visor cap in wear.

        Rob

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          #5
          Originally posted by D_Dutch View Post
          He was wounded for the second time on the 1st of December 1943, but was promoted to Oberleutnant on the same day. Would this just be a coincidence or was he maybe promoted due to some kind of a courageous action on that day which eventually led to his wound?
          Hi Koen,

          Dates of promotion are not very reliable data because for each promotion there are usually two or three dates:
          1. The actual date on which a promotion was made;
          2. "mit Wirkung vom" (with effect from), the date from which the new rank was valid;
          3. RDA or Rangdienstalter (seniority-in-rank): this is usually the date that appears in most documents and is usually backdated from the actual day the promotion was made (Figure 1). They are almost always on the first day of a month (eg. 1 November, 1 December, etc.).

          In my opinion, your man was wounded, sent to hospital and received a promotion that was backdated to 1 December 1943.

          All the best,
          Jason

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            Originally posted by cesky67 View Post
            If you look under Lomovo you will find at least 2 towns with that name in Russia near Kursk. It could maybe be one of them. It was a very serious wound as he spent 5 months in Hospital. Although he was sent to Lazarett in Lublin first and then Prag, so maybe it is Lomowo in Poland. Do you know where his rgt was in Dec 1943. I don't think there was much "action" in Poland in 1943 so his promotion may be a coincidence.
            I read that the 9. Panzerdivision where his unit, Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment 10, was part of, was on the Russian front during that time. So maybe it were those towns near Kursk.

            Originally posted by Rick Admiraal View Post
            Not all injuries were written in the soldbuch.
            Maybe a local small medical post was able to help him and it did´t took long.
            Like a verwundeten-nest or Hauptverbandplatz.
            But would that also be the case when he spent more than five months in a hospital due to serious wounds?

            Originally posted by Rob Johnson View Post
            Nice Soldbuch. I love that portrait photo with visor cap in wear.

            Rob
            Thanks. I also love the photograph! I read somewhere that it was actually against regulations to wear headgear on photographs which were intended for the Soldbuch.

            Originally posted by jmark View Post
            Hi Koen,

            Dates of promotion are not very reliable data because for each promotion there are usually two or three dates:
            1. The actual date on which a promotion was made;
            2. "mit Wirkung vom" (with effect from), the date from which the new rank was valid;
            3. RDA or Rangdienstalter (seniority-in-rank): this is usually the date that appears in most documents and is usually backdated from the actual day the promotion was made (Figure 1). They are almost always on the first day of a month (eg. 1 November, 1 December, etc.).

            In my opinion, your man was wounded, sent to hospital and received a promotion that was backdated to 1 December 1943.

            All the best,
            Jason
            Thanks for your comment. It is most useful since especially with point 3 I noticed that quite a lot and never thought why almost in every Soldbuch I have the soldiers were all promoted on the first day of the month.

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              [quote=D_Dutch;4757733]I read that the 9. Panzerdivision where his unit, Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment 10, was part of, was on the Russian front during that time. So maybe it were those towns near Kursk.[quote]

              With regards to his second wounding of 1.12.43. 9th Pz Div was in the Southern Ukraine with Army Group South and involved in defensive battles around Kriwoi Rog. Look to this area and not the earlier July battles around Kursk.

              [quote] Thanks. I also love the photograph! I read somewhere that it was actually against regulations to wear headgear on photographs which were intended for the Soldbuch.[quote]

              Yes, but from the number of Soldbuchs showing caps in wear one can assume that it was not always strictly enforced. That is also a nice picture of a custom made mid-war cap with bullion wreath and eagle.

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