Soldbuch I.R.193 question

[Floris]

Hello all,


I have an soldbuch with an original photo attached to it.
On the photo the owner wears shoulderboards with the number 64 on it.

Looking at page 4 and can't see any link with the units were he was into.

Am I missing or overlooking something?

[Angel Farré]

Maybe it was his prewar unit and transfered before he open his Soldbuch or maybe the unit is listed in page 17.

Check this two options.

Angel

[Admiraal]

I agree with Angel.
Probably his pre-war unit, could also be his pre-war ersatz unit!
Soldbücher and erkennungsmarken where issued when the army mobilized, so only the unit the soldier was in at that moment was written in the soldbuch.
Not his unit(s) before that.

[Floris]

Being born in 1914 he could gave been in the wehrmacht or reichwehr before the war.
Page 17 is empty so I think it must be his pre war unit.

Thanks for your help Angel & Rick

[Edward]

Pre-war photo. Note wear of pre-war uniform complete with early shoulder boards. Nice pic too.

[Jochen1000]

If he was already a NCO before the war that would confirm it.

[Tim DC]

What was his rank when the Soldbuch was opened?

[Ian Jewison]

Showing page 1 would confirm what everyone is asking. Also check his dog tag number and/or Wehrnummer. The latter could be military if he was in the Heer when his Wehrpass was drawn up!
Remember the Soldbuch was only issued during war.

/Ian

[Ian Jewison]

If you do a bit of research you will find that Infanterie Regiment 193 was formed 26.8.1939 as the Reserve Regiment to 16 Infanterie Division in Hamm, Wehrkreis VI.
Infanterie Regiment 64 was formed 15.10.1935 in Soest, also in Wehrkreis VI and this was also part of 16 Infanterie Division.

Theres a connection straight away. I have not seen it mentioned so far but obviously elements of his prewar unit were used to form Inf.Rgt. 193. It was then mobilised as part of 69.Inf.Div.

/Ian

[Floris]

Hello Ian,

Thanks for the info.
I must have overlooked that.

Here's some more photo's of the soldbuch.

Regards,
Floris

[Ian Jewison]

Ah...no clues there except he was of course an Unteroffizier when his Soldbuch was issued on 1.9.1939.

His Wehrnummer is Soest and his Wehrmeldeamt in Hamm, again all part of Wehrkreis VI (stellv. Armeekorps Kommando VI) in Westfalen.

A clue to the date of his promotion to Uffz. might be on page 18 with his peacetime unit, however it could well be he was promoted at the outbreak of war!?!?

/Ian

[nonameno]

Hello Gentlemen,
JR193 was formed late 1939 as part of the 16th Infanterie Division, which as you can see, included JR64.

from the Lexicon:
<BIG><BIG><BIG>Infanterie-Regiment 193</BIG></BIG></BIG>

Aufgestellt am 26. August 1939 als Regiment der 2. Welle in Hamm als Reserve-Regiment der 16. Infanterie-Division und bei Mobilmachung der 69. Infanterie-Division unterstellt. Das Regiment nahm 1940 an der Besetzung Norwegens teil, wobei das II. Bataillon durch die Kampfgruppe z.b.V. 106 nach Stavanger geflogen wurde. Seit Mai 1942 wurde das Regiment nicht mehr im Rahmen der Division eingesetzt und am 15. Oktober 1942 in Grenadier-Regiment 193 umbenannt.

So, it would seem that JR64 was used as cadre for forming this unit.

Thank you,
Curtiss