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    #1

    Stalingrad tag?

    Could the owner of this tag been at Stalingrad? What division was he in?

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    #2
    Please delete my post.
    Last edited by Cezar; 06-01-2011, 01:05 PM.

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      #3
      Its a dog-tag given by a training unit.
      There is only one way to find out if this unit was in Stalingrad, and that is to contact WASt and ask who the owner was of this dog-tag and what his history was.
      But i don´t think you will succeed
      I'm collecting anything related to the towns Castricum and Bakkum during WWII.
      Also soldbucher from 116pzdiv. And 1944-1945 eastfront pockets, kampfgruppe and Oder front.
      My website: Gotrick.nl

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        #4
        Hello,

        The stampings mean:
        Inf. Pz. Jg. Ers. Kp. 11 = Infanterie-Panzer-Jäger-Ersatz-Kompanie/ (Infanterie-Ersatz-Regiment) 11 - infantry antitank replacement company/ 11th infantry replacement regiment

        This coy was the replacement unit for the 14th (antitank) companies of the infantry regiments belonging to the 11th Infantry Division. This division was deployed to Eastern front but fought in northern sector (for instance at Lake Ladoga, Leningrad). It didn't fight at Stalingrad at all.

        http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...ErsRgt11-R.htm
        http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...nen/11ID-R.htm

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          #5
          Originally posted by Cezar View Post
          This coy was the replacement unit for the 14th (antitank) companies of the infantry regiments belonging to the 11th Infantry Division. This division was deployed to Eastern front but fought in northern sector (for instance at Lake Ladoga, Leningrad). It didn't fight at Stalingrad at all.

          http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...ErsRgt11-R.htm
          http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...nen/11ID-R.htm
          Thats not fully correct, the trained soldiers did not only go to 11.Division, also to other Divisions.
          There is NO way to find out in which Division the guy was just by looking at this dog-tag.
          You have to ask WASt to be sure!
          I'm collecting anything related to the towns Castricum and Bakkum during WWII.
          Also soldbucher from 116pzdiv. And 1944-1945 eastfront pockets, kampfgruppe and Oder front.
          My website: Gotrick.nl

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            #6
            Originally posted by Rick Admiraal View Post
            Thats not fully correct, the trained soldiers did not only go to 11.Division, also to other Divisions.
            There is NO way to find out in which Division the guy was just by looking at this dog-tag.
            Are you sure? Can you list these other divisions? I'm not talking here about the reserve divisions.

            Do you know how the German replacement system organized was? Maybe you just saying some things without any proof? Seeing this ID tag it's quite easy to assess the possible division in which soldier might have been. I will repeat again. Please read it carefully. This infantry antitank replacement company was controlled by 11th infantry replacement regiment and was providing replacements for the 14th (antitank) companies of the infantry regiments belonging to the division of the same number - in this case number 11. I can go even deeper in my assumption. This soldier might have served in Infanterie-Regiment 2, Infanterie-Regiment 23 or Infanterie-Regiment 44 of 11th Infantry Division.
            Originally posted by Rick Admiraal View Post
            You have to ask WASt to be sure!
            You're right - WASt is the only way to be sure but it's almost impossible to obtain any info from them as you know.

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              #7
              "Are you sure? Can you list these other divisions? I'm not talking here about the reserve divisions.
              Do you know how the German replacement system organized was? Maybe you just saying some things without any proof? "

              And how sure are you?
              It is simple, there is no way to know what happened to this man, where he was transfered to, if he was wounded then sent to a new unit, etc, without getting his personal info from the WASt.
              Anything else is just guesswork that may be correct but may be wrong.

              JL

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                #8
                Jean-Loup, have I somewhere stated that it's true in 100% percent? It's only my guess, my assumption based on relation between replacement and field unit.
                Originally posted by Jean-Loup View Post
                It is simple, there is no way to know what happened to this man, where he was transfered to, if he was wounded then sent to a new unit, etc, without getting his personal info from the WASt.
                Anything else is just guesswork that may be correct but may be wrong.
                JL
                Not exactly. It's enough to have just Soldbuch entries.

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                  #9
                  "It's enough to have just Soldbuch entries. "

                  Yes, of course if you have the Soldbuch, or dug the tag yourself in Stalingrad, or were given the tag by the German veteran, then you can have a lot of good info without help from the WASt.

                  And no, you didnt say you are 100% sure, but you are saying to others: "Maybe you just saying some things without any proof"
                  but you also dont have any proof.

                  But what about the main question: is this dog tag even real?

                  JL

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Cezar View Post
                    Seeing this ID tag it's quite easy to assess the possible division in which soldier might have been.
                    Rarely was a soldier in the same unit that appears on his dog-tag (I know that's not what you're saying.... just making a general statement here) as replacement units fed men to different units. And that's not event taking into account transfers between different field units. If you've ever seen a list of dog-tag numbers to one company, you'd know just how little correlation there is between those numbers and the current unit. Without any other evidence or confirmation from WASt, there is no way of knowing in which unit this man ended up.

                    Jason

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Jean-Loup View Post
                      And no, you didnt say you are 100% sure, but you are saying to others: "Maybe you just saying some things without any proof"
                      but you also dont have any proof.
                      My only "proof" is the knowledge of the characteristics of the infantry AT replacement company; its relation with respective infantry replacement regiment and the affiliation with AT companies belonging to the infantry regiments of 11th Infantry Division.

                      Originally posted by Jean-Loup View Post
                      But what about the main question: is this dog tag even real?
                      This is good question. Seeing this ID tag I have some doubts about its authenticity.

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