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**kuratorium** · 03-13-2011, 01:30 PM

Unfortunately I can not connect to other gratulations.
IMHO is this Wehrpass a complete fake (only the portrait photo is maybe original).
I have big "Bauchschmerzen" with this Wehrpass , sorry...

**rickenbacker** · 03-13-2011, 01:45 PM

A fantastic piece congrats

**Ian Thomson** · 03-13-2011, 03:45 PM

Wow

Very, very nice wehrpass

**jmark** · 03-13-2011, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by kuratorium View Post

Unfortunately I can not connect to other gratulations.
IMHO is this Wehrpass a complete fake (only the portrait photo is maybe original).
I have big "Bauchschmerzen" with this Wehrpass , sorry...

I'm sure everyone is interested to hear more...

**GOTZVONB** · 03-14-2011, 12:59 AM

Totenkopf, tiger wehrpass

I agree with jmark in regards to hearing more about kuratorium's comments about this book being fake.

Best regards,

Tom

**PzV** · 03-14-2011, 01:44 AM

Yes, Kuratorium, please give me your feedback on this and why you think it is fake. I have showed this to many other document collectors and you are the first one who has had a negative feedback on this. Please specify where you find a problem.

**mr.dogtag** · 03-14-2011, 02:21 AM

Nice. Can you please show his ID tag entry.
Rgds
Al

**PzV** · 03-14-2011, 05:22 AM

here is page 1 as requested.

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**kuratorium** · 03-14-2011, 07:27 AM

As I said before, it's just MY OPINION !
I don´t like for example the used stamps - he are indeed very similar to original, but different in some little details.Also some individual letters and digits are little different.
Unfortunately this week I have very little time to seek similar stamps in my archives and conducted a detailed comparison, but we can come back to this in future.
Very strange is IMHO also the round stamp on page 21 -"Pz.Ers.u.Ausb.Abt.500 / 1.Kompanie" - it´s a Army / Heeres stamp (not SS) , where is usually to use a slightly different and slightly smaller font than the font in the common SS round stamps.
And also very strange is, that the stamp is almost the same (!) as the round stamp on page 24 above ( SS-T-Inf.Ers.Btl.III. / 3.Kompanie) and the eagles eye even looks also almost exactly !
This is IMHO very strange, because the eagles (or eagle -heads) on the stamps are often very different also in the same units...
The special "cursive" Koch-Fraktur font ( page 21 above) I also don´t like, similar original stamps I have never seen before - IMHO is the "cursive" using wrong for this period Koch-Fraktur font (too modern).
BTW- has anyone seen 100% original document with the same font?
Handwritten records seem very good, but some remind me to fake entry of another documents - for example the handwritting on the page 20 below.
Also some officer signatures looks very strange.
Believe me - I would like to be wrong, but it tells me my instincts.
I know - that this would not mean anything, but I collect documents from the middle 80s.
I say again - It´s just my opinion - if you like this Wehrpass , is all OK, no problem.
Moreover , as I can see, I´m himself against all.

P.S.
I would be very interested in Rob´s and Barry´s opinions.

**kuratorium** · 03-14-2011, 09:40 AM

Thank you for the picture of page 1 .
Now I see another red flag - has anyone of you ever seen a 100% wartime German date stamp, where the days or months were in 01, 02, 03... form shown?
I know only postwar use of such date / datum form, the "0" before the numbers/ digits started to be in the late postwar age.
BTW -
we also see this date error frequently in honour ring copies...

**Nordi** · 03-14-2011, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by kuratorium View Post

Thank you for the picture of page 1 .
Now I see another red flag - has anyone of you ever seen a 100% wartime German date stamp, where the days or months were in 01, 02, 03... form shown?
I know only postwar use of such date / datum form, the "0" before the numbers/ digits started to be in the late postwar age.
BTW -
we also see this date error frequently in honour ring copies...

Hi,

Have I not yet seen, either 1-12 without zero, or the month advertised...!

Regards Nordi,

**CWP** · 03-14-2011, 10:49 AM

For me the handwriting does not look convincing at all. Some of the writing looks like someone is trying to disguise their handwriting to make entries look like they were made by different people at different times. I have handled a lot of reenactor paperwork and for me this just looks modern starting with the scan of pages 2-3. I cannot fault any of the entries specifically and have nothing to add to what Kuratorium has already posted from a technical standpoint but I agree with his conclusions. Just my opinion.

**CWP** · 03-14-2011, 10:58 AM

Looking more closely it seems to me that the Demjanskschild entry on page 24 and the PAB entry on page 25 were made by the same person at the same time (same pen, same ink) although they are dated five months apart and the date is written differently, probably to make it look like the entries were made by different people.

**PzV** · 03-14-2011, 11:35 AM

thanks for the feedback. I know the seller and can return if necessary, I will look into the points listed and also research some of my own documents. If this is a fake, someone really went to a lot of effort. Any additional feedback would be appreciated- Kuratorium- vielen Dank für die Information!

**Bill Hughes** · 03-14-2011, 11:38 AM

Totenkopf, Tiger Wehrpass

Originally posted by Chris Pittman View Post

Looking more closely it seems to me that the Demjanskschild entry on page 24 and the PAB entry on page 25 were made by the same person at the same time (same pen, same ink) although they are dated five months apart and the date is written differently, probably to make it look like the entries were made by different people.

I would say all three award enteries are in the same hand

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