WEHRPASS - LSSAH A.u.E. Btl. 1 - HELP!!!

[GOTZVONB]

Here is a WSS wehrpass that has nearly identical stamps + entries as another SS wehrpass posted earlier today that was determined to be a fake. I would appreciate comments from more experienced document collectors as to the authenticity of this book. Thank you!!!

Best regards,

Tom

[GOTZVONB]

WEHRPASS - LSSAH A.u.E. Btl. 1 - HELP!!!

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WEHRPASS - LSSAH A.u.E. Btl. 1 - HELP!!!

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[CWP]

For me this one is also a fake, I am sorry to say.

[GOTZVONB]

WEHRPASS - LSSAH A.u.E. Btl. 1 - HELP!!!

Thanks, Chris, for your input about the wehrpass. Can you or some other forum member tell me the reason for your negative opinion about the book. Is it the stamps? The runes on the cover were suspect to me, and the IAB entry gave me a bad "gut" feeling, but otherwise, I didn't have a problem with it. Are the A.u.E. Btl. 1 stamps known to be postwar fakes? The LSSAH stamp on the gefallen entry is bad, too? Any comments are very much appreciated!!! Thanks again!

Best regards,

Tom

[Hank C.]

ONE of the (many) problem(s) is the same (fake) signature on the "ubernommen in the SS" entry, the IAB entry, and the death entry. That would be unlikely, unless maybe it was a zweitschrift book all filled out at once.

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Hank

[CWP]

The faker of this book did not do a terrible job but if you compare the original entries in the book with the SS entries, you will see a marked difference in style that can be difficult to quantify. To me it looks like all the SS entries were done by the same person. The handwriting is not very convincing. They tried to modify their handwriting to appear to have been done by different people but were not entirely successful, which is IMO why the Infanteriesturmabzeichen award entry looks off- the writing is inconsistent because the person was trying to disguise his script, note that the two capital "S"'s in that entry look quite different. Most of the stamps appear to use the same font which is not the most common font used for original stamps and may in fact be a widely available modern font. The same exact atypical "SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer und Kompaniechef" stamp is used for entries from July 1944 and February 1945. The SS-Pz.-A.u.-E. Btl. 1 stamp is unusual and looks to have been made with a stamp set with replaceable letters, not what I would expect from a unit stamp from this period. All the purple ink looks identical and appears to have been from the same pad at the same time. Some of the writing appears to have been done using a crude dip pen rather than a fountain pen. The black ink used does not show the fading I would expect (although not all black ink from the period fades uniformly, of course). The Stammrollennummer entry associated with the SS stamp is unusual and what is that little notation after the number supposed to be? Finally, the whole entry on the "Nachtraege" page just looks totally bogus, to put it plainly. If you compare all these entries to period work this will just jump out at you how fake it is.

[CWP]

I forgot to mention that it is not difficult to replicate original period stamps very precisely to the point where it would be impossible to differentiate between the new stamp and the original from the impression on the paper. There is much more to authenticating these things than looking at the stamps. As more sophisticated fakes emerge it will be more and more necessary to be able to recognize period style, something that may prove very challenging.

[GOTZVONB]

WEHRPASS - LSSAH A.u.E. Btl. 1 - HELP!!!

Thank you, guys, for your in-depth comments about the LSSAH wehrpass. I really appreciate your help concerning this book. I posted a thread about a SS-KL SACHSENHAUSEN wehrpass on 13 Feb 2011, and if possible, can you take a look at it, and let me know your opinions about it. I received one favorable comment about the book, but it would be great to hear some other opinions about it. I've shown the pages with the SS stamps, so if any red flags go up while you're inspecting it, I'd appreciate your input very much. Thanks again for your helpful & informative comments about the LSSAH wehrpass. Keep up the great work!!!

Best regards,

Tom