Soldbuch religion abbreviation help...

[rich8818]

I have been looking around online for ANY info on Soldbuch religion abbreviations for Paganism. Many Northern Europeans still followed the religion of their ancestors, Odinism, or more appropriately, Asatru during WW2. I know of the typical abbreviations, Christianity, Catholicism...etc, however haven't found one for Paganism.

Didn't the SS, being that they tried to accept only guys who were not Christian, tried to have most of their documents and such marked as Atheist at first???

Any help on this question would be great!!

Rich

[PBR]

Gottglaublig was the term adopted for most of God\Gods belivers in Germany in WWII.

[rich8818]

Thank you T.K. for your reply! So am I to assume "Gottglaublig" was a general term used for anyone who believed in a singular God or a panthion of Gods?
DO you know of an abbreviation for Panganism, Odinism specifically...?

Danke!

[PBR]

As far as I know there was not a term used on personal ID in relation to Paganism; I would presume that Gottglaublig actually was used for them as well.
The only variation I know of was "Deutschglaublig", but very rarely used.
Not sure anyway, would hear what others have to say like Michael Fay...

[Prinz Eugen]

I remember a bilingual Legione SS Italiana Soldbuch in which the owner wrote at page 2 - religione/religion: pagana/heide...my two cents.

[PBR]

Who are refering to PE, Filippani Ronconi's one?

[Valter Gorenc]

Gottesglaube (literally: belief in god) is a term used for a belief that some kind of God, or Gods exist, but he/she is not any of these vorshiped by established religions.
Most of the pagan theology is not very well defined and standardized - if we speak only about recent european paganism and its three main branches (germanic, slavic and celtic), with several overlapping and mixing groups and rites etc. , the term "Gottesglaube" is also (not entirely correctly) used for pagan rites. I'm not sure if the term "paganism" was even widely used in WW2, the term pagan (german - Heide) had in that time mostly derrogative meaning.
In Ulric of England's reprint of rare book by Josef Wenzel: SS family they use term "german religion" and not "paganism" or "Odinism", but I've read only english translation The term Gottesglaube is also mentioned.

If we go back to Rich's question - you should look for any abbreviations that are obviously not "ordianry" Christian, Catholic, Lutheran, Evangelism... Muslims or Orthodox you should recognize by name and place of birth and as a rule of thumb you can use fact that northern parts of Germany are protestants and southern ones + Austria catholics, and vast majority of Scandinavians are protestants/ luterans/ evangelists ... anything that does not fit into this scheme could be pagan

[Gerdan]

Just to write the correct German word. It is "gottgläubig".


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Gerdan

[Prinz Eugen]

Who are refering to PE, Filippani Ronconi's one?

Yes it is!

[Michael Fay]

As far as I know there was not a term used on personal ID in relation to Paganism; I would presume that Gottglaublig actually was used for them as well.
The only variation I know of was "Deutschglaublig", but very rarely used.
Not sure anyway, would hear what others have to say like Michael Fay...

greetings T.K. and Rich

I just noticed this thread... been so very busy.

Any way...
Rich
just look very closely at my avatar.

-Michael

[Michael Fay]

Thank you T.K. for your reply! So am I to assume "Gottglaublig" was a general term used for anyone who believed in a singular God or a panthion of Gods?
DO you know of an abbreviation for Panganism, Odinism specifically...?

Danke!

yes.
it covered both types.
I have seen where Himmler did not like athiesm. But he was not to keen on Christianity either.
But it is important to remember he wanted to be very discreet about it.

almost forgot...
there would be no "Odinism" apellation, that would have been a no-no!
Hitler had railed against such groups -so Himmler was not going to allow that term.

[Michael Fay]

Weitzel instead of Wenzel

Gottesglaube (literally: belief in god) is a term used for a belief that some kind of God, or Gods exist, but he/she is not any of these vorshiped by established religions.
Most of the pagan theology is not very well defined and standardized - if we speak only about recent european paganism and its three main branches (germanic, slavic and celtic), with several overlapping and mixing groups and rites etc. , the term "Gottesglaube" is also (not entirely correctly) used for pagan rites. I'm not sure if the term "paganism" was even widely used in WW2, the term pagan (german - Heide) had in that time mostly derrogative meaning.
In Ulric of England's reprint of rare book by Josef Wenzel: SS family they use term "german religion" and not "paganism" or "Odinism", but I've read only english translation The term Gottesglaube is also mentioned.

If we go back to Rich's question - you should look for any abbreviations that are obviously not "ordianry" Christian, Catholic, Lutheran, Evangelism... Muslims or Orthodox you should recognize by name and place of birth and as a rule of thumb you can use fact that northern parts of Germany are protestants and southern ones + Austria catholics, and vast majority of Scandinavians are protestants/ luterans/ evangelists ... anything that does not fit into this scheme could be pagan

Hvala lepa Valter
Rich,
this is excellent information from Valter Gorenc,
except the name is Weitzel.
here is my little "shrine" to the official author.

[rich8818]

Valter Gorenc, Michael Fay, T.K., and everyone else who commented, danke!
I got online first thing this morning and am ordering THE SS FAMILY, looks like a great book. And BTW, nice little shrine you've got there Michael Fay!
@V.C., You've mentioned how the term "pagan" was a derogatory term used back then, well I think it is still, at least in some groups in the United States. Pagan was a term used by early Christians for non-Christian folk. It lumps all non-Christians into a large group, one big category. Example being that most Odinists don't like being likened to Wicca, most Celts don't like being likened to Odinists...so on so forth. Kind of like how Catholics don't like being lumped into with Protestants ideal with say, or Judaism with Muslims....you get the idea. Anyways that's besides the point!

Maybe it would be safe to assume that there very well may not have been an abbreviation for "pagans". But I really have a hard time settling with that answer, after all, what about the different religious groups that fought for Hitler. To think he would use Nordic religious symbols only to denounce the faith being practiced amongst his SS..... Why would he allow so many men of different faiths but not allow his own Aryan religion?
Micheal Fay, it seems you are the authoritative figure on this subject, any insight??

Rich