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    Rare Romanian W-ss #2 Soldbuch

    I recently listed a rare Romanian W-SS Soldbuch for sale in E-Stands paper section.
    I had e-mails from several parties expressing interest & asking to see further scans.
    These I supplied. One member apparently didn’t like what he saw in the scans. Instead of e-mailing me personally to express his reservations, he choose to publicly post his views in the same section as the solbuch was listed for sale, instread of a discussion forum elsewhere on the site. This may well have destroyed any chance of a sale.
    His comments are hard to understand since he appears unable to put together a coherent sentence. One of his points of contention seems to be that the solbuch number, dog tag number and unit number are all the same number-70.
    If he had taken a few minutes to do a little research before damming it as a fake, he might have been able to come up with the following;-
    Emilie Caldwell Steward’s book ‘A Collecters Guide to WW2 German Wehrpasses and Soldbuchs’.
    Page 107 shows a Luftwaffe Soldbuch. This has a soldbuch number of 142, and a Erkennungsmarke number of 142,
    MORE IMPORTANTLY SHE STATES ON PAGE 50 THE FOLLOWING:
    The number of the soldbuch appeared at the top of the first page. IT COULD ALSO HAVE BEEN THE HOLDER’S IDENTITY DISC NUMBER OR HIS UNIT PAYROLL NUMBER. In other words all 3 numbers could be the same.
    He also claimed the stampings look post war.
    I might also add that I have had this soldbuch since the late 1960’s. Back then soldbuchs were not worth much money, not that many people collected them & as a result they were not yet being faked.
    So after a few seconds of examining the scans I sent him, this so called expert declares the soldbuch a fake & posts it undernearth the item I have for sale.
    This soldbuch is an excellent example of a small obscure unit that was still forming up in the last months of the war, & as such does not have that many entries in it. I stand by this piece unconditionally.
    I thank the moderator for correctly stating that this was not the correct venue for discussing it’s merits.
    Would other members care to comment?
    I think Mr. SpanischeSS of somewhere USA ows me an apology.
    Sincerely,
    DWG

    #2
    DWG,
    Put the scans here and we can all see them and decide.
    Jeff

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      #3
      DWG,

      As Jeff has mentioned post your scans here so we can review it.

      The person that has made those remarks on this Soldbuch made mistakes selling items on e-stand also, so I would like to determine myself whether she is right or wrong!

      Pictures say more than a thousand words!!

      Regards,
      Ian
      Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

      Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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        #4
        Looking forward to the scans.

        Peter

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          #5
          1st scan, Cover of Soldbuch

          Ist. scan, cover of Soldbuch

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            #6
            1st scan, Cover of Soldbuch

            !st. Scan, cover of Soldbuch
            Attached Files

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              #7
              2nd. scan

              Second Scan
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                #8
                Third Scan. 1st. page

                Third Scan, 1st. Page
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                  #9
                  4th Scan, Page 4

                  4th Scan, Page 4
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                    #10
                    5th Scan, page 26.

                    5th. Scan, page 26
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                      #11
                      6th. Scan, better scan of page 2

                      6th. Scan, better scan of page 2
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                        #12
                        I do not really collect these but initially I do not see anything to be worried about, or I would not dismiss it as a fake straight away!

                        Soldbuch Nr., Erkennungsmarke Nr.
                        and Kriegsstammrollennummer can match and it depends what position he is on the "legder" when it is filled in...I have examples of these at home.

                        What tends to scare people is if all numbers match, if all stamps are the same through out the book, however what can you expect at such a late stage of the war?

                        I will see if I can identify the signature of the officer.....

                        Lets see what other's have to say....as I have not seen to many of these late war Romanian Soldb******252;cher myself anway!


                        /Ian
                        Last edited by Ian Jewison; 06-11-2007, 12:10 PM.
                        Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                        Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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                          #13
                          Hello,

                          Ian doesn't see anything to be worried about.

                          Personally I use another approach to this type of sb's:
                          - Sorry but I see nothing that makes me feel good about it.
                          It is a late war example, with almost no entries, no picture, no fieldpost stamps,...

                          This is a sb from such a rare unit, so that you can't compare them with anything else, so I leave it to everyone for themselfs what to believe is possible in this case and whats not.
                          These are difficult types of sb's, not the once I would prefered to have in my collection in the past, ofcours this is my personal opinion.
                          With the information I have I can't proof it is fake but I also can't proof it is authentic.
                          I think this says it all.

                          Cheers,
                          Peter

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                            #14
                            Soldbuch

                            Hi,



                            I was trying to point out the stammrolle on the unit entry was 76 like the soldbuch number and dogtag number. The dogtag number can be the same as the soldbuch number, I have quite a few book like that myself. I searched in Landwehr's Romanian SS Volunteers book it gives a detailed list of Romanian SS Officers in the book no names match that one in the soldbuch.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by peter u View Post
                              Ian doesn't see anything to be worried about.
                              Peter,

                              Please quote all I said not just I do not see anything to be worried about..........I have not given it the thumbs up but neither have I said it is s h i t e.

                              Like you .....you neither have said you can prove it to be fake or not....if it stood out to blatantly be fake then great but I don't see anything to say it is!

                              You can not expect much for a late war example but just because it is all in the same hand, almost no entries, no picture, no fieldpost stamps...

                              There are many reasons for this as you know.........

                              The only other option is to say everything is fake and prove it to be real............................

                              I can not identify the Waffen Hstuf. that signed it...that could help but then I do not relevant info on these last ditch units.................

                              I have seen quite a few lately that have been dismissed because people haven't taken the time to go through them.....because it is not normal....one thing or another......To be honest, I scrutinise every page of every Soldbuch .....at the end of the day if you do not like it do not buy it!

                              /Ian
                              Last edited by Ian Jewison; 06-11-2007, 03:37 PM.
                              Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                              Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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