Grateful for thoughts and advice on identifying the awards, many thanks, Paul
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Sa sportabz. for a ww1 veteran?
Possible? Ofcourse.
But Likely?
This guy doesn't look that athletic to me.
PComment
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Would you argue with him if he said he wanted one!!!!Comment
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No!
- He looks like the typecal friendly German.
His medals cover a normal ww1 vetran group (with bravery awards like the WW1 EK and local WW1 Germanstate medals) and the normal police long service medals.
But that sa sportabz worries me a bit for such an old fellow. What his is age?
Also the medals are not signed for.
Possible upgrade for this sb?
The handwritting looks normal, difficult to give a final answer on this one.
What is the added bonus for those awards? 2,50€?
So....
Cheers,
PLast edited by peter u; 05-03-2007, 02:41 PM.Comment
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Boys - boys - boys !!!!!!, why so negative about this policeman.Originally posted by peter u View PostNo!
- He looks like the typecal friendly German.
His medals cover a normal ww1 vetran group (with bravery awards like the WW1 EK and local WW1 Germanstate medals) and the normal police long service medals.
But that sa sportabz worries me a bit for such an old fellow. What his is age?
Also the medals are not signed for.
Possible upgrade for this sb?
The handwritting looks normal, difficult to give a final answer on this one.
What is the added bonus for those awards? 2,50€?
So....
Cheers,
P
Most of these booklets are late wartime and so could be the photo, but he could have earned his SA Sportbadge around the second part of the 30.ties.
When this man : let say was born around 1895 he was 40+ when he sports enough to get the SA Sportsbadge.
Believe it or not I have seen more of those "old" man with a Sportbadge, who were sporting every day !
Writing looks good old german to me, the color of the ink too (I know they can fake anything you can think of !).
Passphoto and stamps on it looks good too.
See his other medals on the medalbar on the photo.
In many police booklets, say most of them !!!! , no one ever signed for the awards / medals !!!!, so no worries to see that here too !!!!
2 Euro and 50 cents for such entries - no way - as that is not enough.
These entries clearly show that this man was a ww1 combat vet, and not just a simple policeman all his life, and that must be more worth than the 2,50 or do we just count around 50 cents a medal.
Just my "two cents" about this booklet !!!
Nothing special, just a policeman who served in the army during ww1 and with the police in ww2.
But a nice and clean example of such a booklet, and those medals are making the difference here.
It isn't hard to break down every item shown here on the forum, or to break down the item we do not collect ourselves, or we just do not like, but be realistic - as such ideas doesn't make an item wortless.
yours friendly
Eric-Jan BakkerComment
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Paul,
Returning to your question.
EK. II.
Frontkämpferkreuz.
Schles. Adler I Stufe.
Schles. Adler II Stufe.
Dienstauszeichnung I Klasse.
Polizei Dienstauszeicnung I Stufe.
SA Sportabzeichen Bronze.
yours friendly
Eric-Jan BakkerComment
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Forgot the H in = Polizei Dienstauszeichnung I Stufe.
EJBComment
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JB many thanks, PaulComment
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Why is it that WW1 medal entries are so intresting that they only feetch in the orignal periode booklets (militarpass & soldbuch) between 1€ and 10€?
Check out ebay.de for examples.
The lack of a fat policeman's picture?
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Just my thoughts ofcours.
And by the way those ones (periode WW1) I sometimes collect so I have some knowledge about them and there value.
Cheers,
PComment
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Peter,
Collecting ww2 documents for more than 25 years I know the prices and the market just a little bit too I think.
I don't know what the reason is, but compared to WW2 WPs and SBs the WW1 ones are very cheap, although there are exceptions such as pilots, tankers, or men with higher awards such as EK1 and better.
On ebay.de the WW1 booklets are very low priced, while they are often higher priced on auction sites such as Militaria321.
But we are talking here about a WW2 police soldbuch in good condition, with the ss runes still on it - often they are removed / crosses out.
And in this Soldbuch the awards that wouldn't be so interesting in a WW1 booklet, are here a sort of bonus in a WW2 booklet, as it gives background information on this WW2 policeman together with his 30ties awards.
I know that WW2 booklets with WW1 information and awards are most often selling better than WW1 booklets with the same WW1 awards.
But the question was if these award entries were original period done, I think they are.
Are they making the booklet more interesting, and giving it a higher / better value, I think they do.
Are WW1 booklets under valued, I think they are.
Are WW2 bookltes over valued, I think they often are.
But it is a collecting world, people pay what they want to have an item, or they pass on it.
But try to buy a WW1 fighter pilot with an EK.2 only for 10 Euro !!!(not talking about groundcrew), no way.
And such a guy with an EK.1 !!!
yours
Eric-Jan BakkerComment
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Hello,
I'am being a bit missunderstood here I guess.
What I meant was what is they extra financial bonus for such a ss sb if it has a sa sport abz?
Imo not much.
Is such a booklets value higher if it was from a ww1 vet?
I doubt it also.
This is ofcourse just my opinion and should only be understood like that.
And if there are collector who like such items: ENJOY!
Why are ww1 German sb's not popular?
- If you see the problems people have with reading German WW2 documents it is no wonder that they are not very funed of ww1 items which are all written in old German.
- Also these booklets don't have pictures in them, also not a bonus!
- They don't have swatika's or ss rune on them.
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On the ss sb in question:
Sorry, but I find that sa sport abz very funny for such an old, fat German policeman.
This says enough about the sa sport abz.
Take care and untill the next time Eric J
Cheers,
PeterComment
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"Sorry, but I find that sa sport abz very funny for such an old, fat German policeman.
This says enough about the sa sport abz.
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Peter,
That is why he only got the SA Sport Abzeichen in the Bronze version.
One didn't need to do much to get that type of badge.
There were enough old fat germans who recieved such a bronze badge in those days you know, it is not realy an award, but a simple sports achievement badge.
Concerning the old german handwriting, you see such writing also in WW2 WPs / SBs and other documents, not only something for WW1 material.
I don't have such a SS-Police Soldbuch myself, and I don't collect it, but that doesn't say it is not interesting or collectable or not much worth.
Yours
Eric-Jan BakkerComment
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