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    Dog tag FLAK H.G

    Hi from France,

    Recently, i bought a zinc's dog tag at Helmut Weitze and i I have some questions.

    First of all, the inscription is:FLAK RGT.H.GÖRING
    STAB
    1
    Normally, it should have a point between FLAK AND RGT, no?

    Then, it's not strange to have the 1 like personal roster?

    Friendly.

    P.S:Sorry for my approximate english

    #2
    Dogtag

    Hi NIN,
    Not an expert concerning Dogtags, but you'll find a dot after an abbreviation, not after a full word (I know Flak is not a full word stricto-sensu, it's also an abbreviation but used as a full word).

    ex: Fl. for Flak
    or Flak

    in your case, this is Flak, so there's no need for a dot.
    Concerning the number 1, I presume this is quite rare but not impossible to find.
    A friend of mine published a study about schwere Panzer-Abteilung 502 in Leningrad, and the main character Maximilian L******246;tsch had his Hundmarke (german slang for Dogtag) numbered 1.
    If it helps!
    Ciao from France!
    Last edited by JPhilip; 11-10-2006, 10:22 AM.

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      #3
      Originally posted by NIN View Post
      Hi from France,
      Recently, i bought a zinc's dog tag at Helmut Weitze and i I have some questions.
      First of all, the inscription is:FLAK RGT.H.GÖRING
      STAB
      1
      Normally, it should have a point between FLAK AND RGT, no?
      Then, it's not strange to have the 1 like personal roster?
      Friendly.
      P.S:Sorry for my approximate english
      Yes, the inscription looks odd (strange). In all wartime written records (orders, correspondence, KTBs, reports, regulations, manuals, etc.) the term is written as either Flakregiment or as Flak-Rgt. It is never written as "Flak Rgt.".
      Now, I would also like to say that I am not an expert on military collectibles, so I cannot say with certainty that your Erkennungsmarke is a forgery. Perhaps someone else here who has seen a number of these for Flak units can offer an opinion. As we all know, there are no absolutes. It is possible that the individual operating the stamping machine simply forgot to add the "dash" between Flak and Rgt., or perhaps the machine was not capable to making a "dash".

      Next is the number "1". There has been discussion on this before, but I cannot recall whether the claim that the number "1" was always reserved for the Kommandeur or not. Perhaps someone can help with this, too.

      --BHS1956

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        #4
        Doftag

        Hi,
        sorry for the Flak story, didn't know about, but concerning the Dogtag given by Maximilian L******246;tsch to my friend, its personal number was effectively NR. 1
        He was Richtsch******252;tze in a Tiger I tank (EK II, EK I, Panzerkampfabzeichen 25, Verwundetenabzeichen in Schwarz) and after the lost of his first Dogtag, another one was issued to him with number 1.
        I can mail the pic of this dogtag, not a problem (let me know).

        STABS-KP. PZ. ABT. 502 (lack of Schw.)
        NR. 1

        ciao!
        Last edited by JPhilip; 11-10-2006, 10:23 AM.

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          #5
          Well, thank you for your comments BHS and my compatriot!

          It's quite difficult to be sure of his authenticity and i payed it 175 euros...

          If it's an original, the price is correct, nevertheless if it's a fake

          I will continue to inform me the specialists; This salesman has good reputation beyond the rhine but in the doubt

          Friendly.

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            #6
            doute ?

            salut NIN,
            Dans le doute, abstient-toi !
            Better sending back a good item to the seller and get a refund for another purchase than keeping a fake !
            that's just the way I think, in order to built a real collection
            ciao!

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              #7
              Here is my late war alu HG Flak dog tag from Koenigsberg area

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                #8
                Here is my late war alu HG Flak dog tag from Koenigsberg area:
                Interesting.......
                Your photo shows that some degree of "poetic license" was taken with these Erkennungsmarken. It appears on yours that the "t" was omitted due to a space problem. We live and learn. This will make it all that much more difficult for NIN to determine the authenticity of his disc. If I were NIN, I think I would just assume that it's authentic and move on. It may not be possible to make a determination with 100% certainty, given that these things may have been stamped out any old way at the whim of whoever was operating the stamping machine.

                --BHS1956: confused:

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                  #9
                  Thanks all of you,

                  If this pictures can help you...



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