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    #1

    SS Panzer Grenadier dogtag.

    Hi.

    This half dogtag " SS-Pz.Gren.A.u.E.Btl.1 " is from Div. Wiking or not ?
    And way has the soldiersnumber E behind ?

    Thanks
    DeMil.
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    I see no reason, why this should be from a Wiking unit?
    I can't say for sure without my books here, that the SS Pz Gr Ausb. u. Ers. Batl. 1was located in Berlin and supplied the LSSAH and not the Wiking Division

    The high number is the number the soldier recived in the Truppen Stammrolle when he entered unit.
    AJ

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      #3
      Originally posted by AJ View Post
      I see no reason, why this should be from a Wiking unit?
      I can't say for sure without my books here, that the SS Pz Gr Ausb. u. Ers. Batl. 1was located in Berlin and supplied the LSSAH and not the Wiking Division

      The high number is the number the soldier recived in the Truppen Stammrolle when he entered unit.
      AJ

      I concur to that! Definetely not Wiking. This would have been a number combined with an "W" for Westland later with an "5" for A. u. E. Btl 5.

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        #4
        Sorry to say guys - both of you are wrong.
        SS-Pz.Gr.Ers&Ausb Btl1 suplied replacements mainly for LSSAH, however it supplied replacements to most of the other Pz.Gren units as well.
        W in combination with the Stammrolle doesn't have anything to do with Westland. SS-Pz.Gr.Ers&Ausb Btl.1 was a "recruit factory" due to large numbers of recruits who went through this unit an additional letter with Stammrollenr. was used to avoid stamping 4 or 5 digit numbers
        So: 122A = 1122, 223C = 3223, 101J = 12101.....
        Regards
        Al

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          #5
          I didnt say that W indicated Westland in the Stammrolle but often in the dogtag. After investigating 2000 dead danes I have seen quite a few dogtagnumbers from different institutions in Germany.

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            #6
            Thank you very much for your answers.

            Intersesting to learn about the Stammrollenummers and way this dogtag has a additional letter behind

            Regards
            DeMil

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              #7
              Jens,
              very interesting what you say.
              Was there any corelation between W and Westland according to your research?
              BTW - if you have investigated such an extensive material on Danes maybe you have something on owner of following EM:
              -18- Stab/Freikorps Danmark.
              Regards
              Alex

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                #8
                Hello Alex

                W was for Westland, N for Nordland and DF for Der Führer, FD for Freikorps Danmark and so on.

                The number is not in my archives, but I guess if KIA , that he was killed in the last part of the war. In a list that I have from may 1942, there was 11 officers in the Stab (8 germans and 3 danes)

                In the Hq company there was and 104 NCO and men. 46 were germans. Of these Germans some were senior NCOs and some were sturmmann or Rottenführer. These had of course a Dogtag from their former unit. But the young german Funker or Schützen could have had a Freikorps Danmark dogtag.

                So your dogtag doesnt nessesarily have belonged to a dane... Hope this is a smll help

                regards Jens

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                  #9
                  Hi Jens.

                  "So your dogtag doesnt nessesarily have belonged to a dane..."

                  I have this 10. compani DANMARK dogtag and on the backside the owners name is written "KERS" and I think this is not a Danish name ?

                  DeMil
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                      #11
                      Hello Derek

                      It doesnt sound danish at all. So most probably a volksgerman.

                      Btw my cousins uncle was a spiess in this coy till late 44.

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                        #12
                        Hi
                        Just to verify the statement of Jens regarding the letters in a dogtag.
                        Here is grave from a danish volunteers. Please notice the "W" which is a part of the number of his Erkennungsmarke.
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                          #13
                          AJ,
                          In case of this grave it is clear that the guy belonged to Westland Regiment. However, coming back to main topic - W on SS-Pz.Gren.AuE Btl.1 wouldn't mean that the guy would join Westland at all.
                          Regards
                          Al

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                            Hi Al
                            The "SS Inf. Ers. Batl Westland" was stationed in Klagenfurt and was replacement unit (at least from 1941 till 1943) for the SS Division "Wiking".
                            So the "W" on his dogtag is not because he served with the "Westland" regiment, but because he was trained with the "SS Inf. Ers. Batl Westland" and later trasnfered to a frontline unit. In this case the Westland Regiment.

                            My point was just to state the fact wich Jens pointed out, that letters in the early days of the war was used to show in which replacement unit soldier had been trained.

                            Another exsample would be this Soldbuch from a Danish volunteer who entered the WSS quite early in the war. He was trained at the "Der Führer". Which can be seen at his dogtag with the letters "DF"

                            Regarding the dogtag in question, I'm sure that the "W" has nothing to do with the Wstland Regiment nor the Wiking Divison.

                            AJ
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                              Hi,
                              actually the inscription on the cross says: EM: SS Rgt W - so it is clearly Regiment Westland soldier's grave. He must have received his tag when he arrived to regiment Westland ( probably he lost his earlier one and was issued a new one in the regiment).
                              Of course if it come to unit name abbreviations - DF,G or D are really frequent on tags ( both regiments and replacement units).
                              Regards
                              Al

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