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    #1

    LW Wehrpass help

    I picked up this wehrpass with some other WWI & II aviation items and translation isn't my strong suit! Here is a link to more images and as much help as you can give would be appreciated
    http://www.wartimecollectables.com/wehrpass.htm
    But specifically; what is the bronze award noted in one of the images below and what are the details of the 'invasion front' noted on the other page? Normandy I assume but what does the reference concern?


    THANKS!
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    Wp

    Andrew,

    The award in question is the Frontflug-Spange für Auklärer in Bronze (Operational flying clasp in Bronze for reconnaisance) .

    At first glance I'm not to keen on EK1 listed below the EK2 any chance on getting a closer scan?

    Cheers

    Jeremy

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      #3
      Thanks Jeremy, not much doubt about the book being 'right' unless someone went to alot of trouble several years ago to give something away but I'm not averse to being corrected! LOL! Here's a little better pic...
      Last edited by wartimecollectables; 10-28-2006, 09:48 AM.

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        #4
        Wp

        Thanks Andrew,

        I'm actually not disputing the autnenticity of the WP other than that one notation the EK1. The key is to determine whether the EK1 notation appears the overwrite the stamp which almost appears to be the case. Perhaps others can weigh in as well.

        Unfortunately it is not uncommon to take a perfectly good WP and squeeze in additional awards to make them more desireable in terms of cost. I am however in agreement with you that the balance of the WP is good.

        Cheers

        Jeremy

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          #5
          Thanks for your help. Can you shed any light on the invasion front entry or his units?

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            #6
            Wp

            Andrew,

            It appears to read:

            "Einsatz al Spähflieger um der Invasionfront bei der 3./ NAG 13". Basically "Service as patrol or recon. flyer on the Invasion front with 3./NAG 13 (3./Nahaufklärungsgruppe 13). At that time 3./NAG13 was based out of Chartres*, 18.6.44 - 8.44 with a detachment also at Angers 7.44-8.44

            Cheers

            Jeremy

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              #7
              Wp

              As far as the units most are recon. (which makes sense) and appear legible enough. Click on the following link then go to "Air Units" and then "Recon. Units" you should be able to find specific info. on each unit in terms of unit leaders and station locations by date. Unfortunately they do not go in detail as to staffelfuhrers so the signature may require a bit more research.

              http://www.ww2.dk/

              J
              Last edited by JeremyJ; 10-28-2006, 01:10 PM.

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                #8
                Thanks!

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                  #9
                  Regarding the posting with the signature, the dates above it are all for 1943 when 3./NAGr. 13 was still 2.(H)/Aufkl.Gr. 23 in Russia. The Staffelkapitän of 2.(H)/23 in 1943 was a Hptm. Paul Rau, but that signature is obviously not his.

                  The Staka of 3./NAGr. 13 from Apr to Jul 1944 was a Hptm. Gerhard Dickenbrock, followed by a Hptm. Karl Mörbitz, but those don't seem to match the signature either. Perhaps there was someone between Rau and Dickenbrock that I don't know about.

                  From Nov 43 to May 44, the Staffel was at Jüterbog-Damm for "Aufklärungs-Einsitzer" (recce single-seater) conversion training on the Bf 109 before moving to Laval in France.

                  --BHS1956

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                    #10
                    I have a problem with the EK I entry...as Jeremy pointed out it is written over the stamp and signature.

                    As you can see on page 32 the same stamp and signature is at the bottom of the page stopping any further entries.

                    For a Frontflug Spange in Bronze (10 missions) that would normally accompany an EK II......Spange in Silber (60 missions) or around that time an EK I. Unless it was for a specific action!

                    The FP Nr. 21727 is correct for the unit:

                    (Mobilisation-1.1.1940) Aufklärungs-Staffel 2 (H) 23
                    (15.2.1942-30.7.1942) Nahaufklärungs-Staffel 2 (H) 23
                    3.3.1944 Nahaufklärungs-Staffel 2/23
                    21.4.1944 3. Staffel Nahaufklärungs-Gruppe 13.



                    /Ian
                    Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                    Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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                      #11
                      Thanks for all of the help fella's. Sounds like everything is 100% except someone added the EKI after the fact? Does this completely ruin the wehrpass? I don't collect these and bought it for resale with some other aviation related paper that was put together by a collector in the 70's & 80's. I don't have much into it so no real monetary loss and frankly don't know what the thing is worth.
                      Curious, and I know this is purely unprovable speculation, but could the vet have added the info feeling or knowing he's entitled to it?

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                        #12
                        The entry could be 100% correct but we may never know unless someone has the guys Soldbuch and/or citations.

                        An award was supposed to be entered, one per line according to orders, but who reads orders let alone obey them!??! This entr, although not "squeezed" in as such does go over the stamp and signature of the closing entry!

                        It could have been entered by the guy himself if he was was entitled to it but for whatever reason was never entered in his documents.

                        If could also as we have mentioned be fake......I do have documents myself where fake entries have been added and I live with them as they are interesting for other reasons. It does however effect the price in my opinion.

                        Regards,
                        Ian
                        Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                        Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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