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**stgeorge64** · 08-31-2006, 02:21 PM

Gentlemen, thank you all for your input into my question. The main reason I asked about an approximate current market value is because I have seen very few nice LAH Solduchs in 25 years of collecting. So, with having a nice example in my collection which may soon be on offer, I want to make sure that I do not 'give it away' as it were. Thanks again.

Regards Richard.

**JUNGCO** · 08-31-2006, 03:20 PM

Milcollector,
Hey now, not all Americans have that kind of money. I would think $1000 is high without any awards and rarer SS Soldbuch have not been selling at that price on E-stand.
Jeff

**stgeorge64** · 10-22-2006, 04:52 PM

A question for the Solbuch experts on this forum concerning this item which I have puzzled over for some time:

Page 20 records hospitalisation on 27/12/43 from code 34 = injury from hacking or slashing weapon. Photograph of Weiss shows a scar on left lower jaw line yet page 2 Besondere Kennzeichen (distinguishing marks) has none listed! Therefore this scar was inflicted after he joined, as the injury was 12/43 and photo was added in 44 (?) the scar in the photo is almost certainly the injury referred to? Finally, if this is the case why is no record of a black wound badge being awarded for the injury? Is this a common occurance?

I look forward to hearing the opinion of those with a greater knowledge than myself on this topic, all help will be well received.

Regards Richard.

**InfanterieSammler** · 10-22-2006, 05:12 PM

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**SpanischeSS** · 10-22-2006, 05:26 PM

Re: Price

I would estimate around $500US for it has no awards and it's only a LAH artillery units nothing to fancy about it.

**Panzer Rob** · 10-22-2006, 09:29 PM

Nice first pattern SS Soldbuch. Like John mentioned, it's rather hard to find original LSSAH books that haven't been tampered with. I've seen four LSSAH Soldb******252;cher offered for sale in the last year and a half, and this is the first blue-gray first pattern cover LSSAH book I have seen in a while. Two of the 4 I saw were standard issue Whermacht/Heer pattern books, the other was the more "common" second pattern (brown) SS version. Early blue-gray books are not easy to find, and I think this one is all the more interesting because it has a photo in it, not something you see very often with these first pattern books.

It's not the most impressive SS Soldbuch I've ever seen, but definitely something I'd like to have in my collection. As for the value? Tough call... people are paying insane amounts of money for just about everything these days, and unfortunately for us ID and paper guys, Soldb******252;cher and Wherp******228;******223;en aren't exceptions. The lack of any awards, as well as the crude repair job are the biggest "issues" for me, but still a nice, original, untampered SS Soldbuch to a member of the LSSAH. I'd put it somewhere between $700 and $1000 but I don't think I would personally spend more than $500 on it. I'd rather hold out and spend more for a LSSAH Infanterie/Panzer-Grenadier, Panzerj******228;ger or Panzer crewmember book with front line combat time and some awards.

Rob

**JUNGCO** · 10-22-2006, 11:22 PM

By the way guys, code 34 is accident or self inflicted...and you do not get an award for that.
Jeff

**stgeorge64** · 10-23-2006, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by John M. Donovan View Post

Hi Richard -

Nice Soldbuch you have there. Original, untouched LAH & HJ Soldbuch's are rare and IMO, this one should easily fetch over $1000...Regarding your questions, you have made some rather large suppositions. For instance, you are assuming since the scar was not listed in the 'Distinguishing marks' section that it was received after he joined. Certainly this is possible, but you have to consider the the clerk filling out the Soldbuch might have just skipped over the entry, didn't notice, etc...Now again it's possible that the wound in the photo is the one he received on 27.12.43. However, it's possible he was wounded elsewhere too (thigh, back, etc.). The addition of photo's to the Soldbuch's began in mid-late '43 and he received a slashing wound during this sametime frame (12.43), yet the wound in the photo looks pretty well healed (at least from what I can see in the photo), so perhaps this is not the wound...Now regarding the wound badge, this is a separate issue again. He might have been awarded the Black Wound Badge and it just had not been added to the Soldbuch yet. I have an LAH Soldbuch that is part of a large grouping and the Soldbuch entries for an EKII and CCCiS are added in May'45 just days before the LAH went into captivity. Yet, I have photo's from late '44 and early '45 that show the soldier already wearing these badges. Sometimes during the war, these things just got overlooked. Lastly, he may not have received a Black Wound Badge at all, perhaps he was slashed in a fight with another soldier, etc. and was not entitled. My main point is that one can only speculate, as there is just not enough info to know...Good Luck! John

Hi John

Thank you for the reply to my thread, it is always nice to see some constructive assessment of a piece put down in a post. Although I will probably let this piece go if the price is right, part of me is reluctant to do so seeing as to the rarity of untouched LAH books. Agreed, it may not set the world on fire however, as you say it is untouched. Thanks again for your explanation on the scar etc.

Regards Richard.

**SpanischeSS** · 10-23-2006, 07:29 PM

Jungco

Jeff,

What are you talking about? They gave awards out for -34- code like the Knights Cross. Just kidding! I like how so many people give there expert opinions on here and have no clue what code 34 is?????? These same people are willing to shell out 700+ dollars for only a uniform shot (photo).

**Panzer Rob** · 10-23-2006, 07:39 PM

This one is being discussed here, but for those who didn't see, here's another nice early blue-gray cover SS-Soldbuch. I believe this version is a variation that appeared sometime after the initial version, like the one Richard posted:

http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Waffe...s/S007356.html

It's not LSSAH (HJ!) and it looks as though the pages have come loose from the cover and someone applied clear tape on the spine, but still looks to be an original SS book that hasn't been messed with.

Does anyone else think that the $6,000 asking price is a bit high? (I know you don't John

) If you break it down, I can see the cufftitle bringing around $3000/$3500, $1200 - $1500 for the SB and Führerschein... I'd spring for the book and Führershchein if someone wants the cufftitle

Rob

**Edward** · 10-23-2006, 08:15 PM

From the one on the germanmilitaria website he served with, (8.9.1943-22.4.1944) 1.3.1944 Stab III u. 9.-12. Kompanie Panzergrenadier-Regiment 26 (12. SS-Division).

III battalion was under Stubaf. Olboeter.

Interesting Soldbuch with a hefty price. How times change. Only 14 years ago a well-known dealer sold an Hstuf. DKiG SS Soldbuch for $600!

**Panzer Rob** · 10-23-2006, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by SpanischeSS View Post

I like how so many people give there expert opinions on here and have no clue what code 34 is?????? These same people are willing to shell out 700+ dollars for only a uniform shot (photo).

Well, I think you meant "their," and in all honesty I don't see anyone here claiming to be an expert. Furthermore, I'm sure that any serious collector of Soldb******252;cher and Wher******228;******223;en is familiar with the Krankheit codes and well aware of what the numbers stand for.

What's with the attitude, anyway? It seems that you're under the impression that anyone who is willing to pay $700+ on a SS Soldbuch is throwing money away. Why is that? I'd gladly shell out $700 for an un-tampered, original LSSAH Artillary Soldbuch. Apparently there are several collectors willing to spend even more, because - as I understand it - my offer on this book was outbid several times over.

This Soldbuch is so much more than, and I quote "only a uniform shot." It's a one of a kind piece of history that documents a SS-Soldier’s military service with one of, if not The most "famous" Waffen-SS unit in the history of the 3rd Reich... with a uniform shot

Again, I don’t understand where the belligerence is coming from. Perhaps you're a bit sour that prices on these Soldb******252;cher continue to climb, and that a solid, original LSSAH book trades hands for over $1000 these days. You’re entitled to your opinion, but that doesn’t give you the right to insult and knock those who are willing to spend what it takes to acquire, preserve and enjoy these documents in today’s market.

Rob

**Panzer Rob** · 10-23-2006, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by Edward View Post

Interesting Soldbuch with a hefty price. How times change. Only 14 years ago a well-known dealer sold an Hstuf. DKiG SS Soldbuch for $600!

Ed-

Maybe so, but 14 years ago I was only 17, and at that age most guys my age were building cars, chasing girls and joining the Army, like me

If I had the foresight to get into Militaria I would have been able to amass one hell of a collection that would be worth 5 times the amount today… but I didn't. 14 years later and we’re looking at a whole new level of demand, and as a result prices have risen. It's nobody's fault, just the laws of supply vs. demand.

I’d LOVE to find a SS Soldbuch to a DKiG winner for $600. Hell, I’d pay that for an original, untampered book to a soldier who was awarded a BWB and an EKII. Now if only I could find one at that price

Rob

**InfanterieSammler** · 10-24-2006, 12:40 AM

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**Daniele C** · 10-24-2006, 02:50 AM

wow john!can u post other pics of other pages?unit,awards?

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