Help on some ID disc's please

[M. A. Miller]

I need some help on some ID disc's. I know nothing about disc's at all. some I have come close to figuring out what they are from , maybe. I need to know if they are authentic. One is from E-bay years ago , the rest are not recent buys at all and not from E-bay. The first 2 are aluminum and the rest zinc, I beleive. I'm going to post 6, so cut in anytime with opinions. The first one is not as shiny as picture
Thanks, Mitch

[M. A. Miller]

#2 aluminum

#2 This one has been cleaned a little.

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#3 zinc

#3 It is A. E. A. 7. if you can't read it.

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#4 Zinc

#4 The next on might be hard to read. It is J.G.ERS.AUSB.KP.208

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#5 Zinc

#5 ZINC iT IS: 13./J. E. R. 246

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#6 Last One

#6 tHIS ONE THE LETTERS ARE LITTLE MORE CROOKED THAN THE REST. IT IS: St.Kp.G.E.B. 284

[Matt L]

Hi Mitch,

The units are:

1) Fernsprecher- something (I don't have access to my abbreviations list and for some reason they're just not coming to me )

This one looks authentic to me.

2) 3. (Kompanie)/ Erstaz-Bataillon Gro******223;deutschland (3rd company, replacement battalion GD)

Could be real, but GD is one of the more faked Heer units, so I'd have to compare the lettering to my database of fake types to be sure it's not bad. I don't have access to it right now though, so can't say anything more until next week.

3) Stammbatterie Artillerie-Ersatz-Abteilung 7 (cadre battery, artillery replacement detachment [battalion] 7)

Looks okay at first glance.

4) Infanterie-Gesch******252;tz Ersatz-und Ausbildungs Kompanie (Infanterie-Ersatz-Regiment) 208 (infantry gun replacement and training company of infantry replacement regiment 208)

I'm not immediately sure about this one- overall it looks alright, but the lack of a 'u' between 'Ers' and 'Ausb' is odd. I've never seen one, but then they could just be very uncommon. Actually, I'm not even sure there was such a thing as an Ersatz-und Ausbildungs Kompanie like this- the addition of the desingation 'Ausbildungs' was something that happened to the larger specific units like Grenadier-Ersatz-Bataillone, but since the Infanterie-Gesch******252;tz Ersatz Kompanie was a specialist section of an Infanterie-Ersatz-Regiment, which never did have 'und Ausbildungs' added, I don't see how it could have been applied to any of its sub-units.

Just FYI, the 'J' isn't a 'J' it's an 'I' but in old German script the capital 'I' looks very much like a 'J' and is often written that way. Some suggest it's used on discs to avoid confusion with the Roman numeral 'I', which would signify a Bataillon, but I disagree- there are just as many examples of the normal 'I' used. If it really were an issue of preventing confusion, I'd expect it to be a universal thing. Also there are TONS of examples of the 'J' form of 'I' in technical documents, store signs in cities, and more so the simple alternate form reason fits far better for me.

5) 13. (Kompanie)/ Infanterie-Ersatz-Regiment 246 (13th company [Infanterie-Gesch******252;tz] infantry replacement regiment 246)

This one looks odd- the text is fine, but I'm not sure about the lettering. Again, I'll have to check my database to say more.

6) Stammkompanie (or less-likely Stabskompanie) Grenadier-Ersatz-Bataillon 284 (cadre company or staff company grenadier [infantry] replacement battalion 284)

This one's definitely a fake- the lettering is a common form. The disturbing thing is that this is a regular infantry replacement unit- nothing special- so, until now, wasn't usually faked. For the most part fakers only made SS and other 'interesting' unit discs- I guess they're branching out.

Matt

[M. A. Miller]

thanks

Thanks Matt for the very informational reply. I'm looking forward to further replies by you and others so I can weed out the crap. The last one pictured, I didn't like even with not knowing anything about these disc's. It even looks like some sort of chemical was brushed on it to expedite aging.
Regards, Mitch

[legionitalia]

The first tag is Fernsprecher Betreibs Kompanie f could stand for for fahrer, feste, finnisch, or quite possibly funklenkbar all use the lowercase F.

[M. A. Miller]

Thanks

The first tag is Fernsprecher Betreibs Kompanie f could stand for for fahrer, feste, finnisch, or quite possibly funklenkbar all use the lowercase F.

Legionitalia,
Thanks for input. Is that the way most lower case "f"'s should look on ID disc's ? Tall and real skinny .
Regards, Mitch

[legionitalia]

I have in my database a similiarly marked disk here is the info it, does not have the same font.

Ers.Kp.f.Pi.Zg(mot) 12 297 A Zn Russia Whole


I believe in this case it stands for fur (sorry no german keys). so this tag would read Ersatz Kompanie fur Pionier Zug (moterisiert) 12.

So yours would be 4 Kompanie Fersprecher Betriebs fur Infanterie Regiment (guess on the IR?) 40.

Hope this clears it up

[Matt L]

Yeah, the lower case 'f' in this position usually stands for 'für', although the unit types you'll see with one are quite limited. Infanterie-Regimenter aren't one of them though- Panzergrenadier-Regimenter are and a couple of others (again, I have to wait until I can check my references to tell you more). Usually the main unit type is indicated, so it must be an 'obvious' one (e.g. the only type with a Fernsprecher-Betriebs Kompanie) in the way that Infanterie-Panzerjäger (Nachrichten, Pionier, etc.) Ersatz-Kompanien are a part of an Infanterie-Ersatz-Regiment.

As for whether or not this is the normal appearance for a lower case 'f', the answer is no. Virtually every (authentic) disc you're likely to see will have at least slightly different letter styles on it unless they're from the exact same unit (sometimes even the all the way down to the same Kompanie)- in fact, identical letters used for different units is a good way to spot fakes. Generally, of course, they look like you'd expect a lower case 'f' to look. If you want to see examples of different lettering types, visit www.emarken.de - it has a good gallery of nice, authentic discs.

Matt

[Matt L]

Okay, I've just been doing some checking and I think it's fairly likely the unit was Führungs-Nachrichten-Regiment 40 (which makes sense). A whole bunch of different types of communications units became associated over time with the Regiment, including a number of Fernsprech-Betriebskompanien (13. and 14./644), so they are associated with Nachrichten units.

The only thing that is odd is that when there's a 'für', it's usually a single numberless Kompanie- a specialist Kompanie for a larger unit type (e.g. Regiment), but in this case there is a Kompanie number which must belong to this unit because it makes no sense to have a Kompanie for another Kompanie...

Matt

[M. A. Miller]

Thanks

Hi Matt,
First of all, thanks again. It wouldn't take much to get me confused, but I think I'm following so far. I'll post a straight on picture of the first 2 discs. It will get a little better view of the "f"
Regards, Mitch

[M. A. Miller]

#2

This is #2 with out the glare. It doesn't mean much but the letters and part of slot are full of hard clay.
Later , Mitch